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  1. #1
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    Default How wide a gullet/channel is too wide? *Pics added

    Trying a Schleese Wave on my boy, and the panels and tree shape seem to fit really well. My only concern is the gullet channel is SO wide. I know you need clearance around the spine, but is there such a thing as too much? Horse is not a big broad warmblood type, but 15.2h and the topline is a work in progress.

    ETA: Pics!

    From the back:

    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48...ps7eae01a8.jpg

    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48...psb669020d.jpg

    From the front

    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48...psaa97ca8f.jpg
    Last edited by normandy_shores; Apr. 22, 2013 at 01:19 AM. Reason: adding pics



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    I can't answer your question but have noticed the gullets on a few of the new saddles I tried were unbelievably wide. I felt they were way too wide for my fine boned TB. I do believe they can be too wide just as they can be too narrow. I was wondering if the trend in saddle making is that they are being made for the big heavier WB's now, since that is the breed of choice for dressage.



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    I started a thread on channel width that had some interesting responses.

    http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...-is-still-sore!

    I can see a wide channel being appropriate for a well-muscled, low-withered "innie" horse (where the spine is nestled in a valley of muscle, and you could ride the horse bareback) but not for a narrow "outie" like mine (who requires three layers of padding to be ridden sans saddle.)

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    While you do want a channel that's wide enough to clear the spine and make the panels rest on the longissimus muscle, too wide a channel can cause problems like lateral "shuffle" in the back, or actually allow the tree between the panels to make contact with the spine. Usually, broad-backed horses are better suited to a wider channel with laterally flatter panels, while the more "razor backed" horses with more prominent spines tend to be the ones who run into issues if the channel is too wide.



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    Totally depends on the horse... I tried a saddle custom made XXW for an 18hh WB, built like a house on my just-scraping-16hh WB mare... Totally different builds - she's pretty solid, but looks like a skeleton in comparison to the horse the saddle was made for. And it was a perfect fit.

    Can you get a pro to come out and look at this saddle on your horse? What's the clearance like when you're in the saddle? Even if you've got stacks of clearance while you're still on the ground, that can change dramatically once you get on.



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    Thanks for the help so far.. I finally rode in the saddle and snapped some pics today. Horse seems to like it, and the shape fits the horse really well. My weight doesn't change the way it sits up front at all, but it does give slightly less clearance at the back. However, there's still gullet clearance. Will need to look more tomorrow and take pics of it while my weight is in it.

    I personally like the saddle. I thought it would feel too wide, but riding in it felt great!

    From the back:

    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48...ps7eae01a8.jpg

    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48...psb669020d.jpg

    From the front

    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48...psaa97ca8f.jpg



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    Based on my saddle fitting with a Schleese fitter this past weekend, I think your gullet looks good. It can be surprising how wide some horses need. I have a 17.1h TB who definitely doesn't have an "innie" spine, but I have worked very hard to develop her topline so her spine isn't like a shark-fin (still wouldn't ride her bareback though)! She needed a 5-finger width gullet to ensure the panels were truly on the longissimus muscle rather than the edges of the vertebrae. Both of us were slightly surprised as she is not big boned, especially compared to most WBs.

    For more guidance, specifically from Schleese, check out this short article and video http://www.schleese.com/Schleese_Sad...etChannelWidth
    Last edited by leheath; Apr. 23, 2013 at 01:04 AM. Reason: Clarity



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    Quote Originally Posted by leheath View Post
    Based on my saddle fitting with a Schleese fitter this past weekend, I think your gullet looks good. It can be surprising how wide some horses need. I have a 17.1h TB who definitely doesn't have an "innie" spine, but I have worked very hard to develop her topline so her spine isn't like a shark-fin (still wouldn't ride her bareback though)! She needed a 5-finger width gullet to ensure the panels were truly on the longissimus muscle rather than the edges of the vertebrae. Both of us were slightly surprised as she is not big boned, especially compared to most WBs.

    For more guidance, specifically from Schleese, check out this short article and video http://www.schleese.com/Schleese_Sad...etChannelWidth

    Actually, it was the Schleese video that made me sure it was too wide. That, and my horse was sore today, after a 30 minute trial in it yesterday :/

    Saddle fitter confirmed it for me, and is dropping off a few demos tomorrow... back to the drawing board!



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    Ah, well I guess that just goes to show how difficult it can be to determine from photos! Definitely listen to your horse - if he is sore, he's the expert! Good luck.



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