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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Just the ones trying to stomp all over the constitution, instill socialist programs (which are doomed to fail in a country this size) and strip us of our rights.

    Obviously you aren't trying to get around being another wanna-be socialist. Bless your heart.
    Clearly the title of this thread fits your views....Glad you have a thread you can identitfy with.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stolen virtue View Post
    Clearly the title of this thread fits your views....Glad you have a thread you can identitfy with.
    I clearly explained what I hate about government and that isn't good enough for you?

    Ah, a socialist who can dish it out but can't take it in return.
    Again, bless your heart.


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    Deuce, what rights do you believe are being stripped away? I'm just kind of curioujs.
    "We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." ~Immanuel Kant


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    Personally, I am a fan of Law Enforcement officers – sure there are some bad seeds out there (like EVERY profession), but I personally have never run across one.

    Instead, I have run across men and women willing to risk their life and limb for perfect strangers. They have helped me when I was a crime victim, and assisted our community in times of disaster.

    My uncle was a Captain with the San Francisco PD – decorated with multiple medals of valor – one for jumping off a high pier into frigid water to save a drowning woman – yep, those worthless corrupt “cops”.

    I even have a good repertoire with the High Way Patrol! I was very surprised to receive personal calls and emails when I requested their help with people “racing” on our road.

    I have nothing to hide, and I am law abiding citizen, who views law enforcement as a partner to creating good communities.

    In my life, I have been happy that law enforcement has been there when I needed them. Sure, that $350 carpool lane ticket (on a technicality) was a bummer – but all and all, I respect and appreciate the men and woman who choose to serve our communities.
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    Why is it such a bad thing to think our government officials are doing a crappy job. They are! So I can't call a spade a spade? Do I dislike everything thing they do? No, but other than the weather man anyone with a 20% or so success rate gets fired.
    If you want me to like our government than they should balance the budget, stop funding cow farting studies and the like, make reasonable, enforcable laws and if they are going to pass a bill, I prefer they read the whole thing (patriot act and obamacare come to mind) so they know what they are voting on and could maybe stop some of the extra crap that gets shoved into these bills.

    I have no problem with law enforcement though, they have a job that I wouldn't want and I thank them for doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stolen virtue View Post
    Law enforcement is government. You cannot disparage "government" and exclude law enforcement since law enforcement enforces the laws created by government. That is just more of the irrational thinking that does not make any sense. Own your anti-government sentiments.
    Then why, considering the similarities, is it perfectly fine to disparage war but still support the actual troops? Government & police = government & soldiers.


    Or does that mean all the "anti-war" crowd is just avoiding saying they actually hate the soldiers fighting overseas, but they really do?


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    Government and law enforcement are two separate entities, as they should be. They might work for common cause, which is to serve its citizens but don't confuse them being one, and that is to say when either no longer serves the interest of the citizens it should be taken down and replaced. The day when government and law enforcement become one entity is when the country is on the speedy road to corruption and decline.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonoverMississippi View Post
    Then why, considering the similarities, is it perfectly fine to disparage war but still support the actual troops? Government & police = government & soldiers.


    Or does that mean all the "anti-war" crowd is just avoiding saying they actually hate the soldiers fighting overseas, but they really do?
    Wow, this is a stretch. You can not agree with a law, or a war, and not be anti-government. There are many laws I don't agree with, but because I don't agree with the law does not equate to disparaging the government. More specifically, if my County Supervisor passes a law I do not agree with, I don't condemn that Supervisor, nor the entire government.

    Furthermore, supporting government which includes, fire protection services, sewer, water , roads, bridges does not mean that I support how all of these services are managed. I'm not able to follow your logic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloria View Post
    Government and law enforcement are two separate entities, as they should be. They might work for common cause, which is to serve its citizens but don't confuse them being one, and that is to say when either no longer serves the interest of the citizens it should be taken down and replaced. The day when government and law enforcement become one entity is when the country is on the speedy road to corruption and decline.
    They are one, the District Attorney is government and works DIRECTLY with law enforcement who work to enforce the laws of the local government. It would seem we are missing some key educational classes in how government works.


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    Please read your high school textbook. Or better yet, learn the world and other countries histories.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stolen virtue View Post
    Wow, this is a stretch. You can not agree with a law, or a war, and not be anti-government. There are many laws I don't agree with, but because I don't agree with the law does not equate to disparaging the government. More specifically, if my County Supervisor passes a law I do not agree with, I don't condemn that Supervisor, nor the entire government.

    Furthermore, supporting government which includes, fire protection services, sewer, water , roads, bridges does not mean that I support how all of these services are managed. I'm not able to follow your logic.
    But many of those who complained about the "government" and the "war-for-profit" felt they could complain about the government & commander in chief yet still support the troops.....
    but you say you can't support the LEO if you complain about the government, since LEOs are supporting the government.....
    aren't the soldiers also supporting and doing the bidding of the government and CIF? But it's okay to bitch about the government then.....okay, gotcha.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloria View Post
    Please read your high school textbook. Or better yet, learn the world and other countries histories.
    I have a BA and the lack of government understanding by some posters is scary. I guess when you don't understand government and how it works, it's just easier to disparage it and chime in with the far right wing GOPers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonoverMississippi View Post
    But many of those who complained about the "government" and the "war-for-profit" felt they could complain about the government & commander in chief yet still support the troops.....
    but you say you can't support the LEO if you complain about the government, since LEOs are supporting the government.....
    aren't the soldiers also supporting and doing the bidding of the government and CIF? But it's okay to bitch about the government then.....okay, gotcha.
    I'm not complaining about the government.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloria View Post
    Government and law enforcement are two separate entities, as they should be. They might work for common cause, which is to serve its citizens but don't confuse them being one, and that is to say when either no longer serves the interest of the citizens it should be taken down and replaced. The day when government and law enforcement become one entity is when the country is on the speedy road to corruption and decline.
    No. Cops are public servants, just like all other government employees. They are funded by tax dollars.


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    oops...spoke when I meant to be quiet.
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    Well, didn't the government and law enforcement do a great job today!


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    Law Enforcement really is a thankless job. I've seen what it can do to people--a friend of mine out of college did a complete 180 in her political, religious, and cultural viewpoints, and to be honest she and I just don't speak anymore because I cannot stand how embittered she has become looking at the world. I wouldn't want to break the law in her eyesight on a good or bad day! My uncle is also in law enforcement, and he has so many, many stories where he has been trodden on, literally and figuratively, by people. He started out with a passion for doing something good but now it's just a job he is trying to hang onto.

    That all said, while I have not had particularly good experiences with LE (nothing criminal, we're talking like my street being entirely blocked off either end so there is no way I can get home before 3AM on 4th of July), I have always been on good terms with FF in both states I've lived in. But gracious that is another thankless, poor-paying job... I cannot comprehend how the people who do this have enough goodness and patience in their hearts to suffer what the rest of us put them through.


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    Quote Originally Posted by happymom View Post
    Well, didn't the government and law enforcement do a great job today!
    Amen. People do not understand the sacrificies made by government employees during a crisis.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TickleFight View Post
    No. Cops are public servants, just like all other government employees. They are funded by tax dollars.
    So that is exactly what I was saying. Why disagree with me? Both governments and cops should work for common cause, which is the welfare of citizens, and supported by the citizens. They are not the same entity. They are two entities working for the same common cause. If they were the same entity, they would be working for each other, and not for the common cause: citizens.

    If you study tyranny in all histories of all countries, you will see that the law enforcements are, and work for the governments, and not for the citizen. In those societies, they are the same entity.



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    Quote Originally Posted by stolen virtue View Post
    I have a BA and the lack of government understanding by some posters is scary. I guess when you don't understand government and how it works, it's just easier to disparage it and chime in with the far right wing GOPers.
    Let me repeat. Go back to read your textbook. And understand how governments are supposed to work. Forget about right wing or left wing. It matters not which side. It should have been covered at high school. But again if you cannnot hold an intellectual discussion with someone without dragging into political labeling, I digress.


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