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    Default Rules question, bits.

    So in the hunter rules, I have found references to "regulation snaffles" but I can't seem to locate the section where legal bits are actually shown and described. I've looked through the hunter rules, the general rules, and a few other pdf files that are part of the rule book.

    Where is this info rules gurus?


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    A- it does not exixt in print (or if it does, I can't find it)

    B- it primarily exists (differently) in the brain of each individual hunter judge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janet View Post
    A- it does not exixt in print (or if it does, I can't find it)
    HU125 Tack.
    1. Regulation snaffles, pelhams and full bridles, all with cavesson nose bands, are recommended. A judge may penalize for non-conventional types of bits or nosebands.

    I am curious myself.



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    Hummm.... on one hand this makes me feel better that I'm not the only one who can't find it....

    On the other hand, it is a little disconcerting that the rules are so vague.

    So I guess so long as it looks conventional from the outside (cheek pieces) it doesn't matter whats on the inside?



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    What it means is that the rings have to look normal to the judge as he sees you cantering by. The mouthpiece can be literally anything if the judge sees a normal cheek, in terms of legality.
    If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket


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    I'm glad this question has been brought up. What about loose ring snaffles in the hunter ring?



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    Loose rings are certainly conventional and allowed.

    The one 'conventional' and dressage legal bit that I probably wouldn't put on a hunter is a baucher. Ironic, since it's only made with conventional mouthpieces, but there you go.
    If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket


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    I agree it's judges discretion. I'd consider the Myler bits with the fixed rein slots unconventional.

    Loose rings have not been in style as of late, but I've never seen a horse penalized for them.



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    Yes, as so many things are in the hunter division, it depends on each individual judge. No such thing as legal or illegal.
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    I've only shown my (not-so-baby) baby horse at local shows thus far, but he shows in the hunters in a loose ring, because all of the double jointed D ring bits have mouthpieces that are too think. I've considered getting a Sprenger KK D ring that seems to be about the same thickness as my current loose ring (a KK knock-off) but not sure how he would like the fixed cheek.

    As far as I'm concerned, if a judge doesn't place me because he's in a loose ring, it is either as a minor tie breaker, which kind of sucks but whatever, or the judge has a questionable judging criteria, which will become evident in other placings and I will avoid.



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    No legal/illegal in the hunter ring. It's conventional vs unconventional. The only things set in stone (off the top of my head) are boots on the horse or a martingale in the hack. You could technically show in a hack a bit or a figure 8 with a running martingale with a gag. Will you get a ribbon? Doubtful. Your best bet is a snaffle, something that can pass as a snaffle or a Pelham.



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    A hunter gag will get you no score with some judges. Or at least I have seen that in the past.
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