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    Default Buddenbrock offspring

    Who has them? Wondering what they're like in terms of movement, temperament, what does he really stamp his foals with? Will he improve the front end/shoulder area?

    Thanks!

    It's hard finding info on him, as I've heard his current owner isn't too tech savvy? lol.



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    He won't necessairly improve movement so don't expect him to do that. However he produces very rideable athletic horses.

    I think you need to look at his offspring and look for similarities between them.



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    I have one coming next month so can't answer your question exactly. However, when doing my research before breeding, and what influenced my decision to use him were:

    1-won't improve movement but won't worsen it either. My mare has three good gaits (great walk and canter) so I felt a safe match here.

    2-will improve type...as typical for the Trak horse. This is what I am hoping to do with this generation (if I get a filly)

    3-he scores well for limbs, neck, shoulder according to the Hannoveraner stallion yearbook. Limb conformation was important to me

    4-good rideability of offspring. He was not an heavily used stallion but still produced two high profile FEI dressage offspring with King Arthur and Connery. Is also the grandsire of Imperio (via Connery). He also produces athleticism with jumping offspring...another good trait I wanted to add to my dressage bred horses.

    I searched youtube and found offspring of his that had video. All the ones I saw were not the flashiest movers, but had three good gaits. They were all very rideable and many working at 3rd level and above.

    I have been wanting to add Trak blood to my Hanoverians and desperately wanted Hohenstein (tried with no luck). When Buddenbrock was imported I was excited because I think he has similar attributes to pass along.

    I'll post pics of the foal hopefully next month!
    Read about my time at the Hannoveraner Verband Breeders Courses:
    http://blumefarm.com/hannoveranercourse2011.html
    http://blumefarm.com/hannoveranercourse2012.html


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    His breeding index from the Trakehner Verband mare inspections showed that Buddenbrock was above average in every catagory, with the canter and limbs being extreamly high but all three gait scores were well above the average, and because of the large number of daughter inspected, he had a very high predictablity score.



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    There are several matures daughters in North America that were bred in Germany and imported. I am sure there are pictures of them on the internet if you look for them.
    I purchased my mare in Germany at the age of two. She is a premium mare and I bred her before I imported her. Her first and only foal so far is going for his stallion approval this year.
    My mare is very athletic, and never runs out of energy. Her dam has a proven show record as well. There is no doubt that Buddenbrock is her sire when you look at pictures of the two of them.
    I consider myself very lucky that I was able to buy one of his daughters!
    Last edited by LynneK; Apr. 9, 2013 at 11:35 PM. Reason: spelling



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    In his own population, B is a clear movement improver.

    Quote from above:
    >>4-good rideability of offspring. He was not an heavily used stallion but still produced two high profile FEI dressage offspring with King Arthur and Connery<<

    Not quite correct. Connery never competed at FEI, the highest he went was M level (3rd/4th US). However, there are several FEI dressage horses, one most notable is the international GP winner Hinnerk TSF (Hubertus Schmidt, Carola Koppelmann). Buddenbrock's strength is the fact that he produces all around athletes that compete at the highest level in all THREE major equestrian disciplines - and Connery (his son) has the same prepotency as a sire. Jury still out on Imperio - offspring too young to tell. When you continue the line in the other direction - sire Sixtus, grandsire Habicht, great grand sire Burnus AAH - without exception stallions of major sire proportions with tremendous impact on sport horse breeding - all disciplines!!
    Buddenbrock was definitely "heavily used" - he has a large number of offspring in Germany. He is from a very consistent family of horses, many of them very much true to type, you usually know exactly what you get when you breed to them. He is not a big gamble.

    In the US, his daughter SPS+PS In Zukunft out in California is a good example of what he produces with a good mare - a clone of himself, and in InZu's case a horse that was 1) highest inspected 3yr old of her population in the entire country (GER) with an exceptional performance test, 2) placed and winning in young dressage horse, event horse and show jumper classes and to underline her versatiliy - in hand driving classes, 3) in the US winning at 4th level. SUPER sport horse. That's Buddenbrock in a nutshell, granted he won't do miracles when you breed him to a donkey, but no stallion will :-)


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    Oh yes, sorry my comments of not heavily used was in reference to him being used with Hanoverians.

    And my comments of limb improvement, movement, etc are in reference to the indexes of his offspring in the Hanoverian horse.

    Obviously the Trak Verband will have greater data.
    Read about my time at the Hannoveraner Verband Breeders Courses:
    http://blumefarm.com/hannoveranercourse2011.html
    http://blumefarm.com/hannoveranercourse2012.html



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    Blume, no problem at all :-) Please let us know when your foal is here, and good luck!



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    Just found these two links with video of Buddenbrock offspring:

    http://www.eurodressage.com/equestri...julie-pellerin

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecQu2Hyjx8Y

    I LOVE that one in the second video clip at the stallion licensing!!
    Read about my time at the Hannoveraner Verband Breeders Courses:
    http://blumefarm.com/hannoveranercourse2011.html
    http://blumefarm.com/hannoveranercourse2012.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by Blume Farm View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecQu2Hyjx8Y

    I LOVE that one in the second video clip at the stallion licensing!!
    Oh my .. NICE!
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    Here is another video of that stallion. His name is Lacroze Selsø. Anyone know anything about him? I assume, based on his name, he is in some Nordic country and it appears he was champion of his stallion licensing??

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzQMdEyCEGw
    Read about my time at the Hannoveraner Verband Breeders Courses:
    http://blumefarm.com/hannoveranercourse2011.html
    http://blumefarm.com/hannoveranercourse2012.html



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    This Buddenbrock mare, though never competed, has produced some very nice offspring.

    http://www.sovereignhorses.com/carabella.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anlashok8 View Post
    This Buddenbrock mare, though never competed, has produced some very nice offspring.

    http://www.sovereignhorses.com/carabella.html
    Cara actually belongs to us now and lives in TX. We love.her.
    She will be bred to Platinum von Rappenhoff here shortly for.a 2014 foal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STF View Post
    Cara actually belongs to us now and lives in TX. We love.her.
    She will be bred to Platinum von Rappenhoff here shortly for.a 2014 foal.
    I hadn't made that connection to you yet! I look forward to seeing what babies you get from her.
    My horse is a dressage diva so I don't have to be.

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