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  1. #1
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    Default What do you think of these feet?

    First, the disclaimer: This is not my horse. He's one that I ride. His feet (and legs) bug the crap out of me. I feel like he'd be a new horse with a different farrier, but again, he's not mine. I've been making gentle suggestions to the owner and I'd like to get a little more persistent, but I want to be sure that I'm not just being a drama queen. The angles, the coronary bands, the heels, the excess toe........I could go on and on. Honestly, there's nothing that I like about this horse's trim or shoeing job. I'd love to get opinions from some fellow COTHers. Am I crazy or are these some jacked up feet?
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    More pics.
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    I will ask the inevitable question, where in the trim cycle were these photos taken?


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    Talk about some long toes. Hope he doesn't trip with them.

    Yes, where in the trim cycle is he?



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    And more.
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    Yep, a few more.
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    I did leave out some details, didn't I. This is about 2 weeks after being shod ( ). Steel all around. The horse is a 9 y.o. Oldenburg gelding with PSSM. Total sweetie pie. He's given a mild sedative for the farrier to make working on his hinds easier for him. He eats Blue Seal Sentinel, alfalfa and he is turned out on grass the majority of the time until the weather heats up and then he spends his days in the barn worshipping his fan.
    Just to reiterate, I only ride him. I don't make his feeding, turn out or shoeing decisions. That said, his owner does listen to my opinions and I've been suggesting some changes that might help to optimize his performance. He is currently very successful in the 1.25m classes locally. He did the 1.15m classes at many rated shows last year with lots of ribbons, just haven't gotten him to anything rated yet this year. When we do, he'll be doing the bigger fences. 'Sure would be nice if he could do his job with some better springs under him!
    "Absent a correct diagnosis, medicine is poison, surgery is trauma and alternative therapy is witchcraft" A. Kent Allen
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    The images are too small to evaluate the feet. In addition, the images contain optical and perspective distortions, which interfere with the eye's ability to judge proportion. And, there are no solar shots from which to judge the base length support ratio.


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    I do see a lot of jamming though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackieBlue View Post
    . . . That said, his owner does listen to my opinions and I've been suggesting some changes that might help to optimize his performance.
    Do any of those changes involve you shoeing the horse?

    He is currently very successful in the 1.25m classes locally. He did the 1.15m classes at many rated shows last year with lots of ribbons, just haven't gotten him to anything rated yet this year. When we do, he'll be doing the bigger fences. 'Sure would be nice if he could do his job with some better springs under him!
    What exactly would you do different with the trimming and shoeing that will make this horse perform better that it is already performing?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SuckerForHorses View Post
    I do see a lot of jamming though.
    Really? I see barrel distortion in some images and pincushion distortion in others and perspective distortion in all of them. Not to mention the effect hard lighting has on obfuscating shadow detail.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JackieBlue View Post
    That said, his owner does listen to my opinions and I've been suggesting some changes that might help to optimize his performance.
    Such as?



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    Why would I shoe the horse?? I'm confused. Shots were taken with camera held level near the ground. I'll see about enlarging pics this evening. Tom, are you suggesting this horse is ideally shod at this time?
    "Absent a correct diagnosis, medicine is poison, surgery is trauma and alternative therapy is witchcraft" A. Kent Allen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Burten View Post
    Such as?
    Not sure how my suggestions regarding training and diet have anything to do with soliciting opinions re the horse's feet. I think the horse could benefit from a more skilled farrier. I'm hoping to find out if others agree. Any additional input in the way of helpful criticism of the feet in question is much appreciated as an opportunity to advance knowledge for all readers.
    Rick and Tom, I was really hoping you two especially would offer a professional opinion.
    The horse has been experiencing lameness in both front limbs for a while, off and on. If you must know, this is the particular aspect of his performance that I'd most like to see improved upon.
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    Maybe Tom could give some examples of the best way to take pictures of hooves for those seeking advice? That would be good for all of us to know.
    Disclaimer: Just a beginner who knows nothing about nothing


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    I do agree we need better pics, but he looks long and low in these.

    I have found that pictures taken straight on with the camera sitting on the ground work the best to judge angles. Solar shots would be really nice too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ldaziens View Post
    Maybe Tom could give some examples of the best way to take pictures of hooves for those seeking advice? That would be good for all of us to know.
    I'd like to know this too.


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    You're not crazy. Judging from those pictures he does have some jacked-up feet. His toes look far too long.

    Does he have some hi/ lo going on too?

    Those feet do look so weird that I'm not surprised people are wondering if the images are distorted, and they may be. Even so, if his feet look bad to you, the chances are very high that there is something wrong with how they are being trimmed.


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    A focal length of about 50mm helps to reduce distortion in hoof photos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grayarabpony View Post
    You're not crazy. Judging from those pictures he does have some jacked-up feet. His toes look far too long.

    Does he have some hi/ lo going on too?
    Oh, yes, he does. So marked, in fact, that his movement is noticeably uneven and muscling in the forearms is asymmetric.
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