I used one for a while on a TB that was built incredibly downhill, but had a relatively soft mouth and was a fun horse to jump. It worked great to help keep him off the forehand and from pulling downward without having to upgrade the bit.
The horses I used it on were not comfortable with the bits pressure on the bars of their mouths. That can result in pulling....but using a harsh bit is, in my opinion not the answer. Training the horse to listedn to the seat and leg when they were not distracted by mouth pain was helpful.
I am riding a horse that gets bruised bars irrespective of what bit is being used and how how soft you are. I ride at a large H/J barn and no one has seen this before and we have about 50 horses in training. However, the experienced equine dentist that comes up 2x per year has, and recommended a noseband to keep the bit from pulling on the horse's bars. The horse is currenlty in a worcester noseband (quite similar action to the kineton) with a rubber snaffle and is happy as all get out. Many people consider this a harsh piece of equipment but for horses that are very sensitive to bar pressure I would suggest this is a much kinder alternative. Having said all this, I do find that I have lost some sensitivity with this gear (no surprise) and really need to set up tight turns with the leg first. I expect in the right hands and being used for the right reasons, a kineton can be very useful. Depending on the issue, you may also want to look at some of the combination bit/hackamores. Good luck.
I don't think they are illegal in the hunter ring but a judge would definitely consider them unconventional and likely assume that you are using it because you require more control than a bit would give you. My intent is to do a quick noseband change before warming up.
lynnland- could you use a Baucher for your horse? I think that type of bit keeps the pressure off the bars and is more stable in the horses mouth. Still not a traditional hunter bit but less noticeable than the Kineton.
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I can see how the Baucher would keep a bit steadier in the mouth but pulling back on the reins would still pull it onto the bars when the horse is moving properly, or am I missing something here? A 2-3 ring gag would raise a bit off his bars when you pull on the reins but I am hesitant to go there unless I have to. Sorry for accidently hijacking the post
bM - I wonder if the reason it works on pullers and rooters is because the pulling and rooting is a reaction to the horse not appreciating pressure in a sensitive mouth? I use one on my TB mare, and she goes beautifully in it, I think due to the stability it provides the bit. Truly, I don't see how it could stop a very strong horse, but because the action is so different, I think horses that are strong (as an avoidance) in a regular bit accept the action more readily, and in turn it seems like a train stopper as they're much more ridable.
I don't think I would use this noseband on a stereotypical puller/ rooter. It applies pressure to the nose, like a hackamore, and encourages them to drop their heads down. I can see how it would work for a bar sensitive horse.
I have successfully used it on a sensitive mouthed head tosser (Tossing head to avoid contact - no physical problems) who liked to get WAY above the bit and take off. The classes I showed him in I couldn't use a standing martingale (otherwise I would have done that). I used it with a D Waterford.
It's not that strong, wouldn't have much effect on a truly determined horse.
we had a TB in the jumpers we used one on. could be a bit of a runaway at shows especially, just freight train strong, not rooting. we used it only at shows, and only the fitst day if a multi-day show,worked great. (there have been a number of other threads on this, btw)