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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingAppy View Post
    Megaladon,

    Is this the guy you were thinking of?
    http://www.avalonappaloosas.com/index.cfm/stallions.htm

    He's by me and I've been dying to go look at him. That one photo does scream dressage.
    Yes that's him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingAppy View Post
    Megaladon,

    Is this the guy you were thinking of?
    http://www.avalonappaloosas.com/index.cfm/stallions.htm

    He's by me and I've been dying to go look at him. That one photo does scream dressage.
    If you go look at him, you have to let us know how it goes! I've been hoping they'd post video of him. Does anyone know how tall HonkyTonk Wrangler is? I found a facebook page for him, but I don't think they've really got it started yet.



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    if an appy is bread with a non-appy, what can it be registered under? newby question. sorry!



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    AHOZ appears to be super nice, and no one can argue the fact that he is producing! I think I remember a gelding in MD repeatedly winning HB shows. AHOZ looks, at quick glance about 1/4 appaloosa blood. A good choice for a mare with good appaloosa breeding.

    But,people are breeding mares that have the same type of pedigree(little appaloosa blood). So there really are QH with spots within the ApHC.

    I don't have any problem outcrossing...heck, I do have a mare in foal to a unacceptable outcross for the ApHC. FWIW, this foal will have more appaloosa blood than a good percentage of horses that are accepted in the ApHC.
    Davey Farm Sport Horses
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    www.daveyfarm.com



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    I believe this is HonkyTonk Wrangler (under western tack):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S6PumgTbOA


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    Default Outcross Registration Options

    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberryFields View Post
    if an appy is bread with a non-appy, what can it be registered under? newby question. sorry!
    Acceptable outcross offspring who may still be registered with the ApHC are: Thoroughbreds, Quarter horses, and Arabians.

    A one-time listing fee and a photocopy of the front and back of the Certificate of Registration is required for all stallions and mares registered with approved breed associations and being used for breeding purposes in the ApHC. Horses with dual registration with the APHA and PtHA are not eligible to be listed. Stallions must be listed prior to the filing of their Stallion Breeding Report. Mares must be listed prior to the registration of their foals in the ApHC.
    http://appaloosa.com/registration/registration.htm

    For horses bred with outcrosses not accepted by the ApHC, there are other options.
    There is the Appaloosa Sport Horse Association.
    http://www.apsha.org
    This association has two types of registration - Basic and Studbook.



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    Since you're looking for a ranch horse, check out Nez Perce apps..
    <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- "When they try to tell you these are your Golden years, don't believe 'em.... It's rust."



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    Depends on what the non Appy is. If it is a QH or a TB can still be reg Appy. As long as the horse is also "not gray".



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    Tennessee Stud Greeneville TN!



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    Default Yep, there are some of us left!

    Quote Originally Posted by Angelico View Post
    I grew up riding spots. Loved them. Lately I've been keeping my eye open for a nice Appaloosa to purchase, to use as a pony/ranch horse but I cannot seem to find anything of QUALITY. All I can find are farms that mass produce colorful horses with terrible conformation. I can't see any of these being able to hold up to any sort of work.

    I'd like to buy from and support a farm that strives to better their breed of choice. Is there such a thing in the Appy realm nowadays?
    There are still a handful of breeders who are breeding quality purebred Appaloosas which can excel in the various sport disciplines but they are few and far between. Always have been though Obviously, at the top of the pile was JG Appaloosa Sport Horses, who consistently bred top quality but sadly they have sold up everything.

    We imported four Wap's Spot 2 linebred youngsters because they met all our very particular criteria - from temperament to conformation to ability. We're breeding very athletic, purebred Appaloosa Sport Horses with excellent ability in both dressage and eventing, and outcrossing to our purebred Appaloosa stallion. Good luck in your search and it's really nice to know there are folks who appreciate what we strive to do.
    Visit us on FB : ~ http://www.facebook.com/Leopard.Rock.Appaloosa.Stud
    Breeders of the JG Wap line of Appaloosa Sport Horses



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    We are pretty happy with this one.

    First ride in video

    Butterwap Confetti Sire.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLTx-vDBk04



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    Super excited about our two colts born this year. I never forget how lucky I am!

    The first is by Waps Rolls Royce, o/o a Wap Spot mare. A week old in photo.
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

    The second is by Dutch bred Joshua, & o/o Waps Shelby--a WRR daughter. About 12 hours old in this picture
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
    Davey Farm Sport Horses
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    www.daveyfarm.com


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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingAppy View Post
    Megaladon,

    Is this the guy you were thinking of?
    http://www.avalonappaloosas.com/index.cfm/stallions.htm

    He's by me and I've been dying to go look at him. That one photo does scream dressage.

    I own the four year old full-brother to Wrangler (Turbo Tonk). I think he's built more like his mother than his brothers are - tall, leggy, and narrow like you wouldn't believe, he has zero body to him - but he has more personality than any horse I've ever met before. He's completely a pocket-pony. If there's a choice between being in your lap and helping or turned out with the rest of the horses, he'll pick hanging out with people. I didn't particularly want another horse at the time I got him, but he makes me laugh every day.

    If you're on facebook, Avalon Appaloosas has a page there as well.
    It's not about the color of the ribbon but the quality of the ride. Having said that, I'd like the blue one please!



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    Default Quality Appaloosa Spinoff: Knabstruppers

    What are their registration requirements? And how do you find out anything about the breed? I went to the American Knabstrupper Association website and the U.S. registry no longer exists:

    The American Knabstrupper Association will officially cease operations on June 1, 2011.

    Those with mares registered with the American Knabstrupper Association are encouraged to present those mares to the KNN for breeding approval and to continue to produce top quality Knabstrupper horses.
    None of their links work and I can't find anything (in English) Googling "KNN Knabstrupper".
    Last edited by Miichelle; May. 6, 2013 at 09:00 PM. Reason: spelling
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    Opps! Tried to start a new thread and hit a wrong button some where...
    "It's never too late to be what you might have been." George Eliot



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    You might as well keep th Knabstrupper thread here. Spotted people are all the same. What are you looking for in a sport horse? I had an old race bred Appy, half TB, that competed through FEI dressage. A lot of the great old Appy sport horses were th racebred ones. I guess because of a change in the racing industry, they stopped breeding those.

    As people mentioned, there are people out there doing a good job of breeding Appy sport horses. They're just not as easy to find.

    I want to get spots back into the dressage ring, so I'm breeding mine, and I went Knabstrupper. Sonesta on COTH knows a lot about them. http://www.knabstruppers4usa.com/ She has the more current website and is also here. She's very much an expert on what's available. And Atlamont has a new Knabstrupper stallion, as well as Avalon Equine. I bred to Colorado because he' the same bloodlines I like so much in Cedar Creek Stables wonderful mare, and Kathy is a repro. expert.

    Knabstrupper, unlike Appies, are spotted warmbloods bred for the Olympic sports. I think they have the same great qualities as Appies in color, athleticness, soundness, and super minds. (I think Appies are wonderful, smart, great horses despite mean tongs people say about them.) Knabstrupper have the longer European history of breeding for sport instead of racing or western here. There are a lot of experts in here who can explain better than I.



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    Can a Knabstrupper Stallion be approved if he is solid colored or is color required? I have a few spot Appy mare who's sire is a little known son of Wap Spotted out of a 1/2 TB mare and her dam is a race bred Appy that is about 3/4 TB (making my mare 1/2 TB). I had decided to either breed her to a TB or a Trak but the Knabs have now caught my attention. Breeding her to a TB gives me a ApHA registerable foal (not that I really care) but I think that breeding her to a Trak would give me the most improvement in Sport Horse type...

    Are their any Knabs that are known "improvement sires"? I'm looking to breed for an Eventer for my teenage daughter so I need ammie friendly temperament and would like something that could go up to at least Prelim. The mare is a cute 15.2hh TB-y type that moves and jumps more like a Hunter. We're hoping she makes it to Training Level and doesn't max out at Novice, she's 11 this year and has been laid off for the last couple of years while my daughter did other "teenage things" and rode a different horse (long story). She's coming back into training well and will go to her first event derby (beginner novice) at the end of this month.
    "It's never too late to be what you might have been." George Eliot



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    I hope Sonesta or Melyni (who has Cedar Creek) chime in. They are really the experts. I don't think a solid Kanab stallion can be approved, but I think you can register a solid? Melyni has a few spot stallion.

    And I think they are renown for super, super ammie friendly temperaments. Great rideablility. That's my excuse for breeding one! I want an easy sofa with spots to ride as I advance in age!



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    Miichelle, not the expert, but I don't think a colt out of an appaloosa mare by a Knabstrupper stallion, cannot be approved as a breeding stallion. Colored or not. A colt produced by this cross could be approved for the lower book, but not the main book.

    I might be wrong, but I don't think so.



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    I’m more concerned about the fact that my mare is a few spot and (almost certainly, although I haven’t had her tested yet) homozygous for the Lp gene. I want to breed her to a solid colored horse (Lp N/N) so I don’t get another few spot or snowcap, which is why I wanted to know if solid Knabstrupper stallions were registerable with the KNN. She’s a lovely mare with the BEST temperament of any horse I’ve ever been around and I’d be thrilled to have another JUST like her but I’d like to find a stallion that’s going to complement her. 
    Beentheredonethat, if I recall from other posts, the mare that you’re breeding to Fable is a Trak, what kind of temperament does she have? The Traks at our barn definitely have ammie friendly temperaments and TONS of ability. I think I’ll probably go with a Trak stallion; I just have to figure out which one would be my best option.
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