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    Asking if someone is trolling isn't name calling. I am surprised that someone would bring up the personal virtue of two specific individuals in a conversation about political ideologies and policy. It seems to be inflammatory and quite beside the point. We are talking about concepts and practices, not people.



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    Remember that the lack of regulation in the American economy was ignited the collapse of the global economy in the 2008 crash.

    And since WWII at least, the US has made sure the rest of the world knew it would use its wealth as well as legitimate and illegitimate military and political means to get what it wanted.

    If Western Europe has a bone to pick with us as "lazy" or self-serving, they aren't entirely wrong. If some tourists feel a bit of a cold shoulder post-2008, I'd say they should just consider it the cost of doing business as an American.
    The crash of 2008 was caused by the sub-prime mortgage meltdown. The number of subprime mortgages grew because of government mandated loan policies. In other words, it was caused by government regulation.

    Post WWII, the US used its wealth to rebuild the war torn world almost single-handedly. Ask anyone who lived in Berlin in the late 40's what they think of Americans. And most French like us too. Except for the Parisians, they don't like anyone but Parisians. (My mother's college room-mate is a the daughter of a French baron. She was born in Indo-Chine and her accent is decidedly un-Parisian. I was with her in Paris for a few weeks several years ago. You should have seen Parisians snub her 'til they recognized who she was, lol.)

    America is not perfect but it is better than any other country on the planet. If you want to see how well socialism works, just look at Greece or Cyprus. And just wait for most of the rest of the EU to follow suit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inne View Post
    Asking if someone is trolling isn't name calling. I am surprised that someone would bring up the personal virtue of two specific individuals in a conversation about political ideologies and policy. It seems to be inflammatory and quite beside the point. We are talking about concepts and practices, not people.
    The TOPIC of this thread is liberal, socialism. The people mentioned in my post were exhlated for their virtuous liberalism by someone else.. I pointed out the obvious character flaws in both men.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nhwr View Post
    The crash of 2008 was caused by the sub-prime mortgage meltdown. The number of subprime mortgages grew because of government mandated loan policies. In other words, it was caused by government regulation.
    Post WWII, the US used its wealth to rebuild the war torn world almost single-handedly. Ask anyone who lived in Berlin in the late 40's what they think of Americans. And most French like us too. Except for the Parisians, they don't like anyone but Parisians. (My mother's college room-mate is a the daughter of a French baron. She was born in Indo-Chine and her accent is decidedly un-Parisian. I was with her in Paris for a few weeks several years ago. You should have seen Parisians snub her 'til they recognized who she was, lol.)

    America is not perfect but it is better than any other country on the planet. If you want to see how well socialism works, just look at Greece or Cyprus. And just wait for most of the rest of the EU to follow suit.
    Liberals can not grasp this concept.


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    No one can grasp the subject because it all started 40 years ago. No "party" is without blame. A bunch serendipitous failures that brought us where we are today. Until folks grasp that concept nothing will ever change. Which is exactly what the 1% are hoping for...


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    PS Mitt didn't die in a crash.
    He was at the Blenheim CDI last weekend. He was very nice but Rafalca was awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunridge1 View Post
    No one can grasp the subject because it all started 40 years ago. No "party" is without blame. A bunch serendipitous failures that brought us where we are today. Until folks grasp that concept nothing will ever change. Which is exactly what the 1% are hoping for...
    Ha, nope. There is a quite clear path of legislation that began the CRA creep as I call it. It was started under Carter, then balooned into the massive fraud it bacame under the Clinton presidency.


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    No one can grasp the subject because it all started 40 years ago. No "party" is without blame. A bunch serendipitous failures that brought us where we are today. Until folks grasp that concept nothing will ever change. Which is exactly what the 1% are hoping for...
    Sorry that is simply wishful thinking. The Community Re-investment Act was created under Carter to encourage banks to give lower income and minority buyers access to the housing market. It was later modified under the Clinton administration to force mortgage lenders to relax qualifications so the unqualified buyers could have access to homeownership. This basically created the housing bubble while at the same time guaranteed it would burst.
    See those flying monkeys? They work for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kathy s. View Post
    To answer you questions,IMO, to create a 'stronger nation' for American workers begins with teaching young people integrity and to be imaginative/innovative. Good work ethics begins at home. That being said, a professor once told a class I was in that colleges were teaching young people to be good "march step" workers.

    Ideally, young people should do their research about candidates instead of regurgitating what they hear on TV and that goes for both sides. I've been told by more than a few students that they cast their vote for Obama b/c they are hoping for a student loan 'bailout.' Many have no concept that the "government" is an entity totally separate and apart from taxpayers.
    kathy s., while I appreciate that you finally deigned to answer my question, your answer doesn't really align with what you wrote in your previous post:

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    I sit in my graduate classes listening to the young people complaining about the cut in hours at their job yet voting for liberals (you know, the ones who support Obamacare).
    What if those young people did their research and studied their candidates yet still voted for what you call 'liberals'? Would you still be denigrating them and their choices?

    Obviously, you meant something else -- and you're not going to own up to it now.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nhwr View Post
    Sorry that is simply wishful thinking. The Community Re-investment Act was created under Carter to encourage banks to give lower income and minority buyers access to the housing market. It was later modified under the Clinton administration to force mortgage lenders to relax qualifications so the unqualified buyers could have access to homeownership. This basically created the housing bubble while at the same time guaranteed it would burst.
    Lesson to be learned here is that govt interference in the free market will eventually lead to massive failure. No matter what program you want to talk about.

    Cant wait to see how Obamacare will f this country in a few years.


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    We are already F-ed. All I can see for a future is Soy-lent Green. I'm glad I'll be dead.

    I will say it again no admin in the last 40 years is without fault. If you can't see that, then you are buying into exactly what they want, fighting amongst ourselves about a lie.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sunridge1 View Post
    We are already F-ed. All I can see for a future is Soy-lent Green. I'm glad I'll be dead.

    I will say it again no admin in the last 40 years is without fault. If you can't see that, then you are buying into exactly what they want, fighting amongst ourselves about a lie.
    tehehehe, I want to be staring straight at the tip of the nuclear bomb when the time comes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JER View Post
    kathy s., while I appreciate that you finally deigned to answer my question, your answer doesn't really align with what you wrote in your previous post:



    What if those young people did their research and studied their candidates yet still voted for what you call 'liberals'? Would you still be denigrating them and their choices?

    Obviously, you meant something else -- and you're not going to own up to it now.
    Quit with the snark or I'll put you on ignore. First, I don't get your point about my first post not aligning, etc. Explain. No where did I state I was a teacher.
    Second, that's a big what if.
    Third, I meant what I said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhwr View Post
    PS Mitt didn't die in a crash.
    He was at the Blenheim CDI last weekend. He was very nice but Rafalca was awesome
    See post #175.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathy s. View Post
    Quit with the snark or I'll put you on ignore.
    Are you for real? If you're the sort of person that threatens people on discussion boards, then please put me on your ignore list.

    Quote Originally Posted by kathy s. View Post
    First, I don't get your point about my first post not aligning, etc. Explain.
    You criticized the 'young people' for complaining about lack of jobs/hours yet voting for 'liberals.' I asked who, then, do you think they should be voting for. If not liberals/Obamacare-supporters, then who, and why? Which candidates, IYO, support policies that will benefit these young people as they join the job force in the US?

    Then you said that these young people should research and not regurgitate -- but that doesn't help me understand why these young people deserve criticism for voting for 'liberals' and those who support Obamacare. Obamacare at least gives many of these 'young people' a good chance at health care through their mid-20s. Is there another group that has policies that would provide more quality of life for them?

    Quote Originally Posted by kathy s. View Post
    No where did I state I was a teacher.
    I didn't say you did. I used 'your students' because 'your young people' is a bit unwieldy and I was describing the young people as 'students', because they are students if they are in a class. Whether or not you're a teacher or fellow student is irrelevant here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JER View Post
    Are you for real? If you're the sort of person that threatens people on discussion boards, then please put me on your ignore list.
    It's not a threat however take it however you like, I can't stand snark b/c it totally lowers the level of conversation or debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noms View Post
    The TOPIC of this thread is liberal, socialism. The people mentioned in my post were exhlated for their virtuous liberalism by someone else.. I pointed out the obvious character flaws in both men.
    I simply don't understand how personal flaws are relevant to the discussion in any way. Their private lives are separate from their lives as political actors and their contributions to American liberal policy and history.


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