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    Default Registation Paper ?

    Breeders, do you always give the buyers of your horses registration papers? If you sell a horse with papers or without them is there a difference in price?

    I am thinking of this along dog terms, full registration vs limited. You can pay double for a full registration. Does this apply to horses?



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    Always.
    Papers go with the horse.
    It's not a option like with a car.

    With what it cost to breed and raise a horse, the cost of the registration is so small that I can't see it making sense to withold them.

    In Canada I believe it's not legal to withold papers...
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    I could be wrong on this one but I thought that full registration has to do with whether the dog is a "show/breeding" prospect vs limited which means it is "pet quality" and therefore must be spayed/neutered.

    A registered horse is generally more valuable than one that is not simply because there is proof of lineage, age and ownership in the case of a mare, can produce registerable offspring if breeding quality. This registration, however, does not mean that the mare is "breeding quality". Registration papers get signed over to the new buyer. For a gelding, registration is just proof of lineage, age and ownership since breeding is a non issue. I know that some TB breeders will sell their mares without the registration paper because they do not want them being bred and/or racing again.

    I can't see any reason to withhold registration papers for a horse since the cost to register is really insignificant. I would never consider selling one of my foals/horses without its registration paperwork. The major WB registries put most of the emphasis on breeding "approval" rather than the actual registration paperwork.

    Yes, it is illegal to sell a registered animal in Canada without the papers but I know many TB breeders just say the "papers were lost at the track"
    Last edited by Mistysmom; Mar. 28, 2013 at 12:34 PM. Reason: typo



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    That's interesting about the law in Canada. I always provide papers when the horse is sold. If your buying a horse, you should insist on them. It is also your proof that they own the horse too. Make sure you transfer them into your name with the registry too. Just holding the papers is not enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic Gaits View Post
    That's interesting about the law in Canada. I always provide papers when the horse is sold. If your buying a horse, you should insist on them. It is also your proof that they own the horse too. Make sure you transfer them into your name with the registry too. Just holding the papers is not enough.

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    Yes, that is correct. Under the Animal Pedigree Act in Canada, registration papers must follow the horse.

    I would never rely on registration papers as proof that the Buyer actually owns the horse. There are many, many Horse Owners out there who never bother to transfer registration papers into their name, for one reason or another. Unfortunately, registration papers are not proof of Title.

    Horse registration is indeed very different from dog registration or cat registration. Although we really should have some horses classified as "pet quality" only and not for breeding, it likely wouldn't go over well I know with cats, contracts can state that with a female, any litters MUST be sold as pet quality ONLY and cannot be sold as breeding stock, etc. In the horse world, if it has a uterus or testicles, it can be bred. Sigh! That opens up a whole other can of worms! As a result, equine registration papers are the same for geldings as they are for a breeding mare or stallion. Everything is fully registered.
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    [QUOTE=Majestic Gaits;6908378]That's interesting about the law in Canada. I always provide papers when the horse is sold. If your buying a horse, you should insist on them. It is also your proof that they own the horse too. Make sure you transfer them into your name with the registry too. Just holding the papers is not enough.

    Actually, with the Hanoverian Verband, just holding the papers (Passport and Certificate of Ownership, both) is enough, as long as the Certificate of Ownership has been duly signed on the back by the vendor, when the sale is complete. No need to record change of ownership with the Verband unless it is a breeding animal (mare or stallion) in the studbook, in which case the new owner needs to have the animals associated with her membership.
    Thus, for example, if someone buys a weanling filly, she can show the papers at Mare Inspection 3 years later to have her name associated with the Mare, as Owner, once the mare is accepted into the studbook.



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    I recently responded to a CL add for a free gelding. 10 yrs old and not broke. If I wanted the papers on the horse, it would be $300. I wish our breed registry was a little easier to deal with in situations like this. The registeries complain that registrations are down, but yet wont help in situations like this when the person is holding the papers ransom.



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    I dont know about the law.. but I do know that when the economy changed years ago.. it was very common for people to sell the horse at a fraction of the price... (I am talking quarterhorses)... they were sold as a saddle horse who and a copy of lineage.. but ... if you wanted the papers.. you paid extra.. sometimes.. people would buy the papers a few years later.. And if you go to the auction.. they still announce.. this horse is being sold as agrade... it does have registration papers.. if you are interested please see the seller. But the auction company is selling as a grade and passing along a photo copy of pedigree... (so are you guys sure that this is a law.. or one that has been changed..) I forsee this happening again.. I myself gave away two registered quarter horse mares.. years ago.. without papers.. because I did not want them being bred and felt they did not need to do any more competing..



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