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    Quote Originally Posted by alterhorse View Post

    I focus on my personal goals, and make it a point to also know the personal goals of my teammates. If I can in any way help my teammate come closer to reaching their goal, I try to help. They help me too. The success that I speak of is more about making what you enjoy doing sustainable, then it is about getting rich or famous doing it.

    Hope that makes sense.

    Ok. So are the folks who muck the stalls part of 'the team.' I don't know who you mean are the team members.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabeau Z Solace View Post
    Ok. So are the folks who muck the stalls part of 'the team.'
    Someone had better be able to report on changes in a horses eating habits, manure and urine, and assure that medications and/or supplements are being consumed.

    I don't know who you mean are the team members.
    Everyone involved, even third parties like the farrier and the vet ought to be in sync with the overall program.



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    Quote Originally Posted by alterhorse View Post
    Someone had better be able to report on changes in a horses eating habits, manure and urine, and assure that medications and/or supplements are being consumed.

    Everyone involved, even third parties like the farrier and the vet ought to be in sync with the overall program.
    So if that 'someone' is an off the books paid "independent contractor" working for less than a living wage, are they also part of this 'team?' If they continue at the level of less than a living wage is the team still successful?



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    Quote Originally Posted by alterhorse View Post

    I need an example to understand what you're asking.
    Example:

    Yes, quotations marks may be used to establish a usage of a word that an author wishes to stand out.



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    Alterhorse, you do use a ton of passive voice, which makes it really hard to read what you write. It is also very difficult to take your posts seriously here.

    Honestly? It isn't THAT hard to get along with others in a barn. Go ride your horse, be nice to others, and don't make mountains out of molehills.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabeau Z Solace View Post
    So if that 'someone' is an off the books paid "independent contractor" working for less than a living wage, are they also part of this 'team?'
    That would be unacceptable to me both legally and ethically.

    In my experience, teams that involve the care and training of horses don't tend to become fulfilling for all members of the team, unless the human members share a common sense of ethics.

    The horses are a part of the team as well. Actually they're the heart of it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by FineAlready View Post
    Alterhorse, you do use a ton of passive voice, which makes it really hard to read what you write. It is also very difficult to take your posts seriously here.
    Hopefully, if you or someone else might kindly please quote an example of something I posted that's in a "passive voice". I might then be able to understand what that means.

    Honestly? It isn't THAT hard to get along with others in a barn. Go ride your horse, be nice to others, and don't make mountains out of molehills.
    It was just something that was on my mind that I wanted to talk about. Sorry if the topic is bothering.

    But I really want to see some of my posts that are "passive voice" so I can try to learn to change that, if this is some kind of a problem that I'm not aware of.



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    Quote Originally Posted by alterhorse View Post
    Hopefully, if you or someone else might kindly please quote an example of something I posted that's in a "passive voice". I might then be able to understand what that means.



    It was just something that was on my mind that I wanted to talk about. Sorry if the topic is bothering.

    But I really want to see some of my posts that are "passive voice" so I can try to learn to change that, if this is some kind of a problem that I'm not aware of.
    For the third time:

    Yes, quotation marks may be used to establish a usage of a word that an author wishes to stand out.



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    OP -

    I think you would enjoy and get a lot out of reading
    "Please Understand Me II - Temperament, Character, Intelligence" by David Keirsey

    And, as an introvert, I am a fan of
    http://questionablylate.tumblr.com/p...ow-to-care-for

    The issues you bring up are the same issues that come up in building and leading effective teams in the workplace. There has been a lot of research and writing done on that subject -- and still dysfunctional teams / groups are a huge issue -- as a Google search will show.

    In order to be a good leader, one has to be self aware - for starters. In building effective teams, one has to be very selective -- very good at reading people and screening people before hiring. That's my perspective as a civilian.

    In the military, they manage to take an assortment of people from varied backgrounds and make it work. My husband is in the Navy, and it boggles my mind how a ship functions at sea - very young people, very dangerous work environment, living 24/7 in very tight quarters. There is a great documentary, "Carrier" which you might also enjoy - http://www.pbs.org/weta/carrier/full_episodes.htm

    And, googling "dysfunctional groups" / "dysfunctional teams" makes it clear that the problem is pervasive. Ultimately, human beings show up to life every day as they are w/ all of their various flaws and perceive reality through the lens of their own life experiences. We don't spend nearly enough time teaching communication / interpersonal / social skills to kids, and they are absolutely skills that can be learned.

    As a boarder, I think you just have to do the very best due diligence you can in choosing a place to board -- carefully screening for "fit". The perfect fit for one person might very well be hell for somebody else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meupatdoes View Post
    For the third time:
    Third time for what?



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    Quote Originally Posted by alterhorse View Post
    Third time for what?
    Lol.

    The third time the same example of one of your uses of the passive voice has been provided.



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    Quote Originally Posted by alterhorse View Post

    In my experience, teams that involve the care and training of horses don't tend to become fulfilling for all members of the team, unless the human members share a common sense of ethics.
    Well, of course not. But most working stiffs are not looking to be fulfilled. They are looking to survive. Sounds to me like you want to discussion a very 1% kind of problem.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ldaziens View Post
    OP -

    I think you would enjoy and get a lot out of reading
    "Please Understand Me II - Temperament, Character, Intelligence" by David Keirsey

    And, as an introvert, I am a fan of
    http://questionablylate.tumblr.com/p...ow-to-care-for

    The issues you bring up are the same issues that come up in building and leading effective teams in the workplace. There has been a lot of research and writing done on that subject -- and still dysfunctional teams / groups are a huge issue -- as a Google search will show.

    In order to be a good leader, one has to be self aware - for starters. In building effective teams, one has to be very selective -- very good at reading people and screening people before hiring. That's my perspective as a civilian.

    In the military, they manage to take an assortment of people from varied backgrounds and make it work. My husband is in the Navy, and it boggles my mind how a ship functions at sea - very young people, very dangerous work environment, living 24/7 in very tight quarters. There is a great documentary, "Carrier" which you might also enjoy - http://www.pbs.org/weta/carrier/full_episodes.htm

    And, googling "dysfunctional groups" / "dysfunctional teams" makes it clear that the problem is pervasive. Ultimately, human beings show up to life every day as they are w/ all of their various flaws and perceive reality through the lens of their own life experiences. We don't spend nearly enough time teaching communication / interpersonal / social skills to kids, and they are absolutely skills that can be learned.

    As a boarder, I think you just have to do the very best due diligence you can in choosing a place to board -- carefully screening for "fit". The perfect fit for one person might very well be hell for somebody else.
    Thank you, I haven't thought about the military in that way before.

    I'm looking forward to researching more about these things you've suggested.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabeau Z Solace View Post
    Well, of course not. But most working stiffs are not looking to be fulfilled. They are looking to survive. Sounds to me like you want to discussion a very 1% kind of problem.
    Maybe we'll have an off topic day for Easter, and then you might hopefully post on this 1% topic. It sounds like it could make for an interesting conversation.



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    Quote Originally Posted by meupatdoes View Post
    Lol.

    The third time the same example of one of your uses of the passive voice has been provided.
    Ok meupatdoes, I'm off to google "passive voice" and see if I can figure it out.

    I had hoped that you or someone might of at least have given me a clue by highlighting some text and explaining what's wrong with it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by alterhorse View Post
    Ok meupatdoes, I'm off to google "passive voice" and see if I can figure it out.

    I had hoped that you or someone might of at least have given me a clue by highlighting some text and explaining what's wrong with it.
    Seriously? She quoted an example of you speaking in the passive voice not once, but THREE times. Perhaps also working on your reading comprehension might he helpful.

    OP, I am unsure what you are hoping to achieve by this discussion. I feel like I walked into a freshman philosophy of psychology class where the students are trying their hardest to speak in a way that will impress the professor. Life is not that hard. Go the barn. Ride your horse. Treat others the way you wish to be treated, and if you have a problem with something, talk to the person with whom you have the issue.
    OTTB owner.


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    I think the key to everyone getting along in any scenario, boils down to two simple (or not so simple for some) things; honesty, and communication.

    If you're honest and up front, and can communicate that in an effective and tactful fashion then you will go far in any situation you may encounter.
    "Be the change you want to see in the world."
    ~Mahatma Gandhi



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    Quote Originally Posted by Whyevernot55 View Post
    I feel like I walked into a freshman philosophy of psychology class where the students are trying their hardest to speak in a way that will impress the professor.

    LOL, OP, your posts all read like undergrad term papers. Except even there, the professor will expect you to write in ACTIVE VOICE. How one can wax philosophical without understanding a basic rule of writing is beyond me.


    ETA: OP, active voice means that a sentence is structured thusly: Subject, verb, object. In active voice, the subject of the sentence is active; the SUBJECT (subject) DOES (verb) STUFF (object). This is the standard, accepted "best practice" way of writing: in everyday life, in academia, everywhere.
    In order to think outside the box, one must first know what is in the box.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Whyevernot55 View Post
    Seriously? She quoted an example of you speaking in the passive voice not once, but THREE times. Perhaps also working on your reading comprehension might he helpful.

    OP, I am unsure what you are hoping to achieve by this discussion. I feel like I walked into a freshman philosophy of psychology class where the students are trying their hardest to speak in a way that will impress the professor. Life is not that hard. Go the barn. Ride your horse. Treat others the way you wish to be treated, and if you have a problem with something, talk to the person with whom you have the issue.
    I am so sorry that you are being forced at gunpoint to read this thread and respond to the OP. I can see how that would be very frustrating for you.

    Passive Voice

    http://writingcenter.unc.edu/handouts/passive-voice/

    *Note the myths about passive voice

    The real key to success is to treat each person in the way that s/he wishes to be treated as it may very well differ from the approach that you would personally prefer. If effective communication was easy & innate, there would not be countless books/seminars/etc. on communication, team building, and leadership -- not to mention marriage and parenting
    Disclaimer: Just a beginner who knows nothing about nothing



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    Quote Originally Posted by alterhorse View Post
    Hopefully, if you or someone else might kindly please quote an example of something I posted that's in a "passive voice". I might then be able to understand what that means.
    This might help explain passive voice a bit:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_passive_voice

    The sentence meup quoted is in passive voice, for example.



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