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    Default Is This the Western Cowboy Dressage We've Been Wanting to See?

    Let's see what the CotHers have to say about this western dressage freestyle exhibition by Ms. Rossi and her Friesian.

    http://youtu.be/8OnwqGf1lDM
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    The only thing that looks western to me is the music and clothes. It's dressage, whatever other taglines put on it are for show.
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    I'm missing why this is 'western' - except for the honky tonk style music.
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    Nice wardrobe. I love how her jacket doubles as a quarter sheet.


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    Nope, riding in a dressage saddle on a breed common to dressage and not western is not by any stretch of the imagination "cowboy/western dressage". The cowboy hat and bling breastcollar just make her look a bit silly.


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    Well, I'm sorry to say that this has nothing to do with western.

    And it is not really good dressage either, at least not for the show ring. She would be eliminated in a dressage ring.

    Trick/Circus riding. That is what it is.


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    Well. Little confused considering she is riding in a dressage saddle with a double bridle? How is that western dressage? Not a freestyle either, looks like she is schooling in different places, in the field, in a ring, etc. It doesn't make it a freestyle when you just add music to a video and put in different training sessions. Confusing with jods, half chaps, paddock boots, and then a western hat and some strange coat. I don't see western dressage at all boot scootin boogie doesn't make it that lol. Horse isn't that bad IMO.
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    Dressage isn't about your outfit. Or even your saddle. It is about the progressive, methodical training and athletic development of your horse, and the development of your skills and timing as a rider.


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    Costume dressage - no western saddle, boots and breeches.

    Scary combo of S-curb and tight chain, bradoon, and flash, and the credit shot at the very end has a closeup of this, with the addition of the bradoon ring being hooked onto curb chain hook Surely this rider. having spent scads of time on outfit, choreography, and music would have noticed this in the photo, much less when she was riding


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillabeana View Post
    Dressage isn't about your outfit. Or even your saddle. It is about the progressive, methodical training and athletic development of your horse, and the development of your skills and timing as a rider.
    Correct, but as perceived "western dressage" is about western attire including tack. So I wouldn't call this "western dressage".
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    I can't think of a good western trainer who would give the thumbs up to the flash noseband. Strapping the mouth closed really, really isn't how they roll. They have a very different bitting philosophy.
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    I think the answer to the title question for the thread is no, not by a long shot.



    I agree that there's nothing western about a dressage saddle/double bridle on a breed often seen in the dressage ring. I do, however, think this video displays a lot of what folks have trouble with when it comes to the organization of Western Dressage. Incorrect title, lacking in understanding of what either "western" or "freestyle" means, short on correctness and glorifying this as if the big conchos on the breast collar, flowy coat and no braids make up for everything.


    I'll say what I've said in other threads about Western Dressage - if it gets fixed to really stress correct basics and development of the horse without the focus on flashy gaits I would be a huge proponent of it. If I had enough knowledge about how to write rules to do that, I would volunteer to help even.
    My horse is a dressage diva so I don't have to be.

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    You forgot the quotation marks around freestyle, Mike.



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    And it is not WESTERN dressage. It says COWBOW dressage.

    Just to add to the confusion...



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    Whatever it was , it wasn't pretty..


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    I have a photo of a favorite gent with an identical breast collar, and matching headstall. But, oh, dear, that is a western saddle he's sitting in, and his fancy stitched boots have them there underslung high heels.

    I doubt that he'd even heard of dressage. Not that some of her"stuff" qualifies, although it did take training.
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    A western bridle with a western curb, a snaffle and a flash noseband?????? Since when does anyone use a flash with a double bridle????? and a dressage saddle? How is that either western or cowboy dressage?????
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    Forgive me, as I'm an eventer , but I didn't think you were supposed to use a flash with a double bridle I'll never get to that level, but still curious.

    And no, this isn't western, or cowboy dressage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiki View Post
    A western bridle with a western curb, a snaffle and a flash noseband?????? Since when does anyone use a flash with a double bridle????? and a dressage saddle? How is that either western or cowboy dressage?????
    It is a 'baroque' bridle with a 'baroque' curb bit.
    The S-shaped curbs are allowed in dressage (up to a certain length)

    Baroque/Portuguese/Friesian e-tack

    ** Flash with a double bridle are forbidden**



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