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    Have to say he has decent descriptions and reasonable prices.

    Wish they weren't listed as "rescues", but if that is what moves the horses, have at it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Spot View Post
    I'm not sure I'd call it "superior". From the stuff I've been reading on the other thread I'd more likely go with "logical".
    If you mean "logical" fallacy's I totally agree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sunridge1 View Post
    Oh FFS where, show me where I trashed him. Jeez you're really reaching now. OTOH, keep it up I'm finding it quite entertaining.
    If the guy gets harassed or a bunch of crap from people like you who ridicule what he's doing - he'll stop.

    Which means those horses will go to slaughter.

    This isn't some game, and I am appalled you find this entertaining. It's not a game show.

    If those horses are not sold they will die.

    Go ahead and laugh and get your jollies if you like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunridge1 View Post
    If you mean "logical" fallacy's I totally agree.
    I think we both know that I did not. It appears we are at an impasse.
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    This is about as close to actually rescuing a horse as one can possibly get. I appreciate he doesn't BS about being an actual 501 c3 like so many seen to do.


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    I have dealt with KBs and find that they really don't want to send 'good' horses to slaughter. And if they can sell them and get more than the per pound price ...it IS business. OTOH they won't keep a horse long becsause it costs $$ to do so. Unfortunately some KBs can't be bothered with the usual tire kicking buyers. Some find it useful to use an intermediaryand no inspection by buyer..

    I am glad to see them post a few that are 'good horses'. They prob. buy them for $100 or less at OH auction...so $300 - 400 isn't a bad turnover in less than a week's time. I would rather see them NOT shipped to slaughter.

    What makes me crazy me is the heart wrenching 'save from slaughter' with a price WAY above the going slaughter $$ like minis or small ponies for $450+ or thin horses for $800+...no way do they get that money for them going to slaughter....but they won't sell for less and some of those horses die to prove that nothing is exempt from shipping so you better ante up!


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    Quote Originally Posted by JSwan View Post
    If the guy gets harassed or a bunch of crap from people like you who ridicule what he's doing - he'll stop.

    Which means those horses will go to slaughter.

    This isn't some game, and I am appalled you find this entertaining. It's not a game show.

    If those horses are not sold they will die.

    Go ahead and laugh and get your jollies if you like.
    I see him doing what all brokers are doing, he just added a "friendly" touch.
    This is the post you are calling harassing? Really? Please explain so I can correct the error of ways. I thought I was just pointing out a truth. It couldn't possibly be the genuine jab I made before hand could it?


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    I am alluding to the mentality, and of what luvmytbs posted not long after:

    There are some KB's around here who won't let you within eyesight of their property, which yes, is thanks to nut cases who have nothing better to than to harass them, even if they live clear across the country. (But that's another story).
    If a KB is harassed, it is possible or even likely he'll say the hell with it. Which means the horses that would have found homes die instead.

    I don't find these threads, or the subject of unwanted horses/slaughter entertaining. Not one bit - not at all.

    Evidently you do; which speaks less to my character and more to yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSwan View Post
    I think what they are doing is posting these things on this BB, so that the nuts here will go and harass the owners.

    I doubt they're doing it to help advertise these horses in the hope they'll stay out of the slaughterhouse.

    In other words, they are instigating. And if a horse dies because of it - that's ok as long as it's for "the cause".

    They have more in common with Mr. Sappington than they think.
    I didn't understand this post at all. you then go on to say it's great because it saves a horse from slaughter...so I thought the quoted post was sarcasm lost on some.

    I am confused...but cutting JSwan some slack as they have 8 new nursemare foals as well as a large horse population that need care. JSwan is a caring rescuer and happy when any horse gets a pass from the plant.



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    What is entertaining is not that anyone will be harassed but that you all react so badly to these threads. There was some genuine good ideas put forth in that article on the other thread. But according to nearly everyone it was crap. Well someone and that someone is everyone in the horse industry needs to clean their act once and for all. I have done my part. I've saved, gelded, stopped breeding, trained, re homed, given away, taken in, retrained, given money, killed, have been honest about my stock etc. etc. etc. If most would only do half of that the problem wouldn't be near as tragic as it's become. So yes it's onus all of it, everyone needs to buck up and get honest or this problem will continue to plague us all. I do wish I was ignorant to the horse plight like every single one of my real life horse friends. I cannot unsee or unlearn what I know. I wish I could, ignorance IS bliss.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JSwan View Post
    Evidently you do; which speaks less to my character and more to yours.
    Huh? I am not getting your point. At all.

    Ron Andio put up a website to promote (sell) some of his horses.
    A website needs traffic to be effective, to sell a product.
    Putting it on a horse BB will add to his traffic.

    Are there a$$hats out there who are going to make harassing calls to him now because he states he does send horses to slaughter (most anyone on the anti slaughter side would know his name anyways)?

    You would hope not from this BB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSwan View Post
    I am alluding to the mentality, and of what luvmytbs posted not long after:



    If a KB is harassed, it is possible or even likely he'll say the hell with it. Which means the horses that would have found homes die instead.

    I don't find these threads, or the subject of unwanted horses/slaughter entertaining. Not one bit - not at all.

    Evidently you do; which speaks less to my character and more to yours.
    I agree, as that is how I spent my teenage years, training horses our riding school got from the slaughter plant, very serious job, as they would go back there if we didn't do our job and no one wanted that, if we could possibly help it.

    From dozens of such horses, only one feral mare, that had some kind of serious back injury, we could not make work and all of us were very sad for long time afterwards.
    One other, also from a feral bunch, we tried, he just was mentally off and unpredictable, was sold to a private owner, that tried with him for two years, then sold him back to us, still unsafe to ride and the owner of the riding school had the brilliant idea of trying him on the feed wagon and, would you know it, that little horse made a great driving horse.

    We took our work of making decent, usable horses of all that we got to work with very seriously.
    There is no joking when talking about that one last use of any horse, but at least it does has one last use if it has to be, it is not a totally useless end.
    Very bad that SOME of those horses are carelessly killed now and wasted, on some strange misunderstanding on what our world and our place in it for all of us is, including our animals.


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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmytbs View Post
    Huh? I am not getting your point. At all.

    Ron Andio put up a website to promote (sell) some of his horses.
    A website needs traffic to be effective, to sell a product.
    Putting it on a horse BB will add to his traffic.

    Are there a$$hats out there who are going to make harassing calls to him now because he states he does send horses to slaughter (most anyone on the anti slaughter side would know his name anyways)?

    You would hope not from this BB.
    With your posting history, I very much doubt you posted that here to give him more business.
    I would be more apt to believe you were wanting to give him grief, just because he is, the horror, according to what you have posted before, a "kill buyer", as your title stated so clearly.



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    Quote Originally Posted by uphill View Post
    I didn't understand this post at all. you then go on to say it's great because it saves a horse from slaughter...so I thought the quoted post was sarcasm lost on some.

    I am confused...but cutting JSwan some slack as they have 8 new nursemare foals as well as a large horse population that need care. JSwan is a caring rescuer and happy when any horse gets a pass from the plant.
    You have me confused with someone else. I do not have that sort of equine operation on my farm, and do not engage in the breeding or sale of horses. Never have.

    I think if a KB weeds out horses for resale instead of sending them to the plant - that's great.

    It's not something to criticize or condemn, nor is it something the person should be harassed or disparaged for.

    What I think is that many of these posters come to instigate; not to engage in robust, informed discourse. I'm reading their posts and try to respond with ideas, and I respond to questions if I have an answer (or think I have something to offer).

    Their responses range from bizarre, to emotional, to crazy, to reasonable and informed. But mostly bizarre and emotional.

    I'm more practical. I see an opportunity for x number of horses who do not go on to be slaughtered.

    I'm happy for those horses and for any effort, no matter how small, to reduce the number of horses going to slaughter. Every bit helps - even if that help comes from someone we don't care for.
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    luvmytbs -

    I was not referring to you in that sentence. If that was not clear I apologize.

    Quote Originally Posted by luvmytbs View Post
    Huh? I am not getting your point. At all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    With your posting history, I very much doubt you posted that here to give him more business.
    I would be more apt to believe you were wanting to give him grief, just because he is, the horror, according to what you have posted before, a "kill buyer", as your title stated so clearly.
    Bluey your problem is that you always assume that you know about everyone and everything.

    You are really not that important that people will provide you with their "resumes". Really, you are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmytbs View Post
    Bluey your problem is that you always assume that you know about everyone and everything.

    You are really not that important that people will provide you with their "resumes". Really, you are not.
    My opinion as stated, nothing more or less than that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JSwan View Post
    I'm more practical. I see an opportunity for x number of horses who do not go on to be slaughtered.

    I'm happy for those horses and for any effort, no matter how small, to reduce the number of horses going to slaughter. Every bit helps - even if that help comes from someone we don't care for.
    Exactly, and his prices are quite fair, he isn't price gauging as so many KBs are prone to do IF they even attempt to sell before sending to slaughter.

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    Considering the source of this thread, I think you are right.
    Are comments like this really necessary?
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    Wow talk about a blast from the past. I knew "Ronnie" before and during his first marriage. He's been doing exactly what is depicted on the website for years, since he was knee high to a grasshopper. As many have said he just didn't call it a rescue though he did rescue many a horse from the sale/kill pens, would call me to ask if I/we could "fix" it and then sell it on to a useful end. Of course he also sent about 80% of what he picked up from the country side and the sales to Canada. Fact of life, nothing else. I use to ride a lot of what would come in to see if there was something there to put time into and many did get a second chance. There was a TB mare who came in one night. She was dubbed, "One-Too" because she was one too many to fit in the load headed to Canada the next night. She could jump the moon. I have many stories including the animal welfare cases he (and his first wife) would help house/care for until trial. He's a horse trader born and bred. If this (the publicity) gets more horses and ponies legitimate second chances then great. Those that don't sell will still end up where they were initially intended to go.
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    JSwan - and all this time I thought you were JSwan from FL who runs a 501(c) 3 rescue. no?? you do not state where you hail from.



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