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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Freda View Post
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    VALLEY MEAT COMPANY, LLC – For further information contact A. Blair Dunn, Esq. at
    abdunn@ablairdunn-esq.com

    VALLEY MEAT STATEMENT REGARDGING TIM SAPPINGTON

    Valley Meat Co. does confirm that Mr. Sappington does work doing maintenance for Valley. We have seen the video showing Mr. Sappington euthanizing a horse for slaughter which we understood he did as was his legal right for his own consumption and in which he did complete the processing for consumption. We agree that his comments were regrettably crass, not
    contributing anything to this dialogue so we do not condone his statements, but he was within his lawful rights to slaughter and butcher a horse and he was not acting as an employee of the company in that action. The emotion of the situation is what is most troubling especially since the opposition is now resorting to terrorist tactics by calling in bomb threats and death threats
    against our families. And while Mr. Sappington's personal comments are inappropriate they pale in comparison to threatening to bomb people and kill their families. We respectfully request that the media and the public remember that we are discussing the processing of horses as livestock
    and no animal is worth threatening or ending a person's life.


    http://ieqbassn.com/wp-content/uploa...Sappington.pdf

    This how 'charming' someone who simply performs 'maintenance' at the place is....
    Now Fairfax is going to say an AR person forged that letter...

    FWIW- if there really have been any threats of harm to people I hope they track them down and prosecute. But I wouldn't be so sure that it isn't just propoganda from the SH owner trying to make people feel sorry for him. Or an exageration on his part. (Like someone commenting on youtube "Someone ought to do that to him, and see how he likes it", Or someone stating that "we could do without jerks like him", and the SH owner trying to say those are direct threats.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Freda View Post
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    VALLEY MEAT COMPANY, LLC – For further information contact A. Blair Dunn, Esq. at
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    VALLEY MEAT STATEMENT REGARDGING TIM SAPPINGTON

    We have seen the video showing Mr. Sappington euthanizing a horse for slaughter which we understood he did as was his legal right for his own consumption and in which he did complete the processing for consumption...he was within his lawful rights to slaughter and butcher a horse.
    I'm giving credit to whoever wrote this statement because I don't believe for a minute this is true.

    He shot the horse on a dirt road in what looks to be an unsanitary area. Seems like an odd place to be cutting up a horse one intends to eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenm View Post
    I'm giving credit to whoever wrote this statement because I don't believe for a minute this is true.

    He shot the horse on a dirt road in what looks to be an unsanitary area. Seems like an odd place to be cutting up a horse one intends to eat.
    I'm sure that this is Sappingtons story now that this has gone viral... but no, I don't think I would feed my family a horse dropped where it was, and not properly bled out. Maybe that's me?

    And if he was just slaughtering this horse for his consumption, why the need for his commentary re: anti-slaughter people? OR the need to videotape it and put it on the 'net for that matter?
    Methinks Sappington got more than he bargained for.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Freda View Post
    The emotion of the situation is what is most troubling especially since the opposition is now resorting to terrorist tactics by calling in bomb threats and death threats
    against our families. And while Mr. Sappington's personal comments are inappropriate they pale in comparison to threatening to bomb people and kill their families. We respectfully request that the media and the public remember that we are discussing the processing of horses as livestock
    and no animal is worth threatening or ending a person's life.




    This is how 'charming' someone who simply performs 'maintenance' at the place is.... can't imagine how 'nice' the guys on the line are.
    And Valley Meats, if you're receiving threats, it's cause this POS had to voice his opinion in this manner. Valley has their employee Tim Sappington to blame for any bad press.
    Thanks Angela. I do find it amusing that while his behavior is crass. The idea that it is his employers fault that he went a little off the rails or that he is an example "their employees" is idiocy.

    To call in bomb threats over a dead horse who was by all accounts slated to be a dead horse regardless is insanity.

    Look the guy is a tool. I'll bet there are lots of asshats bobbing around in our societies stew. Doesn't make us all asshats because we are stuck in the same pot.
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    Stupid question, but--does YouTube have no restraints or standards on "content?" Because for all practical purposes, this guy made a "snuff film." Usually stuff like that falls outside what's considered permissible "self-expression."

    I am torn between wishing he had no place to indulge whatever species of voyeurism he's feeding, and realizing that we have a need and right to know, with no holds barred, what's really out there.

    Stuff like this to me is a sign that our "civilization" is descending into a new Dark Age really, really fast. Ugh.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Freda View Post
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    VALLEY MEAT COMPANY, LLC – For further information contact A. Blair Dunn, Esq. at
    abdunn@ablairdunn-esq.com

    VALLEY MEAT STATEMENT REGARDGING TIM SAPPINGTON

    Valley Meat Co. does confirm that Mr. Sappington does work doing maintenance for Valley. We have seen the video showing Mr. Sappington euthanizing a horse for slaughter which we understood he did as was his legal right for his own consumption and in which he did complete the processing for consumption. We agree that his comments were regrettably crass, not
    contributing anything to this dialogue so we do not condone his statements, but he was within his lawful rights to slaughter and butcher a horse and he was not acting as an employee of the company in that action. The emotion of the situation is what is most troubling especially since the opposition is now resorting to terrorist tactics by calling in bomb threats and death threats
    against our families. And while Mr. Sappington's personal comments are inappropriate they pale in comparison to threatening to bomb people and kill their families. We respectfully request that the media and the public remember that we are discussing the processing of horses as livestock
    and no animal is worth threatening or ending a person's life.


    http://ieqbassn.com/wp-content/uploa...Sappington.pdf

    This is how 'charming' someone who simply performs 'maintenance' at the place is.... can't imagine how 'nice' the guys on the line are.
    And Valley Meats, if you're receiving threats, it's cause this POS had to voice his opinion in this manner. Valley has their employee Tim Sappington to blame for any bad press.
    And that my friends, is EXACTLY why the pro slaughter people, Okay the Ra Ra's, etc. Are nuts. Bombing families? Great. Give your cause some more fuel. The company came forward and made a good statement, The guy was in his right, any of us can shoot our horses, But the crass language and taping it? totally wrong. But what is more wrong is the idiots threatening innocent people as a result. What is wrong with people!
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    I don't know that it's RARA's making threats. You see this in every walk of life. The poor rape victim in Ohio has had death threats, as well as the blogger who exposed the whole sordid mess and that's just over football.

    Why do people think it's OK to send death threats? Maybe it's the seeming anonymity of the internet, I don't know. Have you read any political posts lately...there are crazies everywhere.
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    Folks, people do butcher their own animals in their back yards. Yes, it is done that way. Ever field dressed a deer?

    That company should hire better writers. The press release is very poorly written; almost childlike. Oh well. Their choice.

    I do believe that people are threatening violence. Oh yes, yes I do. And I've no doubt some of those people would act on their threats if they thought they could get away with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptownevt View Post
    Animals meant to be slaughtered and consumed must "bleed out". Bleeding out requires a beating heart. That is why the captive bolt gun is used; it is supposed to stun the animal into unconsciousness so they can hang it up by a leg, then slit its throat so the animal actually bleeds to death. The problem is that the captive bolt gun has a high rate of failure to stun properly with horses so they end up being hung and having their throats slit while conscious. You see horses are much more active than cattle and will throw their heads up and toss it around. It's difficult to get a good shot in the time they have to stun the horse. The "kill box" is actually a misnomer; it should be called the stun box. Depending on how fast the line is the butchering can start while the horse is still conscious. So, no, this video does not show anything about slaughter. It just shows an angry vicious POS killing a horse just to hurt those of us who devote some portion of our lives fighting animal abuse in all its forms.

    I sincerely apologize to those who find my post disturbing. I wrote it because I am so terribly sick and tired of people who have not witnessed the process telling themselves and others that slaughter is "humane euthanasia". If I called a vet to euthanize my horse I sure as heck wouldn't expect them to come with a captive bolt gun, a hoist and a knife.
    This is just not accurate that beating heart-style bleeding out is required to process an animal intended for consumption. My FFA had a meat processing section and we shot the animals just like this. Then you hang them for several days to drain.

    It is very likely this horse was hung in the barn behind that dude. We hang deer in a pole barn just like this for a few days and so do most people who eat them. He is wearing a coat, so it is likely cold enough to not need a refrigeration room. The horse still has its hide, I don't see sanitation to be a huge issue with the road. Deer die in much less sanitary conditions and are perfectly safe to eat.

    I am not defending this asshole's attitude but I find the objections to my point to be out of touch with home slaughter and processing. Not surprising since most of you have never processed food animals yourselves, so I just wanted to clarify that it is extremely plausible this horse was processed for food.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sannois View Post
    And that my friends, is EXACTLY why the pro slaughter people, Okay the Ra Ra's, etc. Are nuts. Bombing families? Great. Give your cause some more fuel. The company came forward and made a good statement, The guy was in his right, any of us can shoot our horses, But the crass language and taping it? totally wrong. But what is more wrong is the idiots threatening innocent people as a result. What is wrong with people!
    The only threat I've seen evidence of was Sappingtons... care to share where you've seen these 'threats'? And no, the Press Release from the plant is not one I will take for granted as 'proof', sorry.

    I think Valley would have been better served with a Press Release that simply stated what Sappington did was wrong though within his rights, apologies, The End.

    They're just adding to the drama, whether there have or have not been threats. It will not serve them well in the end, as those who have no idea about the horse slaughter issue may have this be their intro., whereas had they cut it off before the 'while Mr Sappingtons...' portion they could have avoided the additional drama that come with 'bomb threats', which may only serve to raise the profile of this youtube and then the whole slaughter controversy.

    Course if I was pro-slaughter the next thing I would do is bomb the plant... and pin it on PETA.


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    I don't think the anti-slaughter angle is that slaughter cannot be done humanely. At least, that's not my objection. My point is this: As a commercial enterprise, whose goal is maximum throughput with minimum expenditures and minimize supervision and enforcement, slaughter of any animal will EFFING NEVER BE DONE HUMANELY on a consistent basis. Not when the goal is git'er done and don't spend an extra second or an extra penny.

    I don't think this execution was inhumane. I think the guy who did it is a sociopath, and I would want to know if he lived near me, or if he ran a business that I would want to never do business with. But I don't disagree that a correctly placed bullet is as humane as any other quick death. Never forget, though, that slaughter for meat isn't going to be done this way.

    I want this guy's name all over the internet, though. If you want to act this way, on video, you deserve all the unpleasant attention you can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fordtraktor View Post

    It is very likely this horse was hung in the barn behind that dude. We hang deer in a pole barn just like this for a few days and so do most people who eat them. He is wearing a coat, so it is likely cold enough to not need a refrigeration room. The horse still has its hide, I don't see sanitation to be a huge issue with the road. Deer die in much less sanitary conditions and are perfectly safe to eat.
    For those of us not familiar with it, what sort of equipment is needed to move a horse's carcass into a position in which it can be bled out?
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    And as for threats, there's no telling who is making what threats. For all we know the purported threats could be faked by pro-slaughter folks to trash opponents of slaughter. Not an unheard of tactic.
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    compare the press release from Valley with this news report... Sappington works maintenance? Really?

    ROSWELL, N.M. — Tim Sappington is ready to buy horses for Valley Meat Co., which is seeking to open the first U.S. horse slaughterhouse since 2007. Right now he’s the only paid employee, and he puts his money where his mouth is.

    He eats horse meat. And he likes it.


    http://www.standard.net/stories/2013...ity-known-ufos

    What do you think? Since he's the only employee, seems to me Valley would know what his job IS...


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    Quote Originally Posted by jenm View Post
    For those of us not familiar with it, what sort of equipment is needed to move a horse's carcass into a position in which it can be bled out?
    A tractor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenm View Post
    For those of us not familiar with it, what sort of equipment is needed to move a horse's carcass into a position in which it can be bled out?
    A largish farm tractor with a bucket and some chains, weighed behind. Or a forklift w/chains. Or a hoist once you drag it under a rafter.


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    We keep posting at the same time, JSwan!



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    WTF! I mean really what was the point of the WHOLE scenario. He's a prick with ears. Doesn't matter to me who or what he is or wanted to prove. A deliberate dick move that moves him into psychopath behavior. He should join the upper echelons of a powerful corporation, perfect place for him.

    The horse had a good death other than that....


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    Quote Originally Posted by fordtraktor View Post
    A largish farm tractor with a bucket and some chains, weighed behind. Or a forklift w/chains. Or a hoist once you drag it under a rafter.
    Thank you. What do you do with the blood? I would imagine a horse has quite a bit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Freda View Post
    The only threat I've seen evidence of was Sappingtons... care to share where you've seen these 'threats'? And no, the Press Release from the plant is not one I will take for granted as 'proof', sorry.

    I think Valley would have been better served with a Press Release that simply stated what Sappington did was wrong though within his rights, apologies, The End.

    They're just adding to the drama, whether there have or have not been threats. It will not serve them well in the end, as those who have no idea about the horse slaughter issue may have this be their intro., whereas had they cut it off before the 'while Mr Sappingtons...' portion they could have avoided the additional drama that come with 'bomb threats', which may only serve to raise the profile of this youtube and then the whole slaughter controversy.

    Course if I was pro-slaughter the next thing I would do is bomb the plant... and pin it on PETA.
    HUH??? Oh man no wonder nothing is ever done with this problem.
    I NEVER SAID I READ THREATS.. please read for comprehension.
    The release SAID IT!!!!!
    And if you do not believe people are not capable of threats, Please.
    Your last line is laughable.
    PETA need no help in there terrorist acts, they have that down to a science.
    Seriously the guy is a yahoo idiot. But other than the fact that he did it on film.. I have no problem with it. Like someone said, Deer are hung in the back yard, my neighbor has a huge hanging post in his back yard, he has had several deer hanging there this winter.
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