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    Van the Man had a reputation in Europe of not wanting to stay in front of the leg. It is one of the reasons he was for sale, and one of the reasons he was not purchased by a top European rider. They didn't want to try to deal with it...


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    Wow. This looks like one crazy horse! The eurodressage article said it was a child's horse. Sometimes it not the horse, it's the rider.

    http://www.topiberian.com/index.php?...d=4293&lang=es



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    Quote Originally Posted by ponypappy View Post
    Wow. This looks like one crazy horse! The eurodressage article said it was a child's horse. Sometimes it not the horse, it's the rider.

    http://www.topiberian.com/index.php?...d=4293&lang=es
    Oh hey, look at her clinging desperately on to the side for dear life...


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    Can't fault him for tension in that ride.


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    tension? really?



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    Quote Originally Posted by ButterflyIris View Post
    tension? really?
    CAN'T fault him for tension.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ponypappy View Post
    Wow. This looks like one crazy horse! The eurodressage article said it was a child's horse. Sometimes it not the horse, it's the rider.
    Yes, and that is one way of saying the horse isn't really international caliber, and would probably do best ridden by a child or amateur that wouldn't put a lot of pressure on him.

    And that is a classic example of what happens when a horse has fancy enough gaits to attract a rider who wants an "international" caliber horse, but it doesn't have the mental ability to handle that kind of pressure. The horse was passed over by BNRs in Europe because they knew he wasn't up to it. CP obviously thought he could fix it. And he was apparently wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DownYonder View Post
    The horse was passed over by BNRs in Europe because they knew he wasn't up to it. CP obviously thought he could fix it. And he was apparently wrong.
    Machismo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alicen View Post
    Machismo.
    Are you including the Davis' in that comment ? They bought the horse, and are no strangers to the market.
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    Is this the Davis you are referring to. It appears that Parra and Davis own the horse.

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    103BW14 - VAN THE MAN (USA)
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    Birth Name VAN THE MAN
    Current Name VAN THE MAN
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    Last Change 04/11/2010 History...
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    Date of Birth 01/06/2002 11 year(s)
    Date of Retirement
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    Gender Male
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    Sire's UELN 528003199607485
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    Sire of Dam Landjonker (Fruhling)
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    Issuing Date 04/11/2010
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    29/12/2011 Dr. Cesar Parra & Michael Davis United States of America
    29/12/2011 MICHAEL DAVIS/SARAH DAVIS/CESAR PARRA United States of America
    15/12/2011 S. & G. Rothenberger Netherlands
    04/11/2010 Dressurstall Rothenberger/Erlenhof OHG Germany



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    Centerline scores reports the owner as Michael Davis, but that is not official.

    http://centerlinescores.com/Horse/De...filterBy=horse

    Neither are the scores which do not show the "consistent 70%" scores that the horse was purportedly getting in Europe under his Young Rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclectic Horseman View Post
    Centerline scores reports the owner as Michael Davis, but that is not official.

    http://centerlinescores.com/Horse/De...filterBy=horse

    Neither are the scores which do not show the "consistent 70%" scores that the horse was purportedly getting in Europe under his Young Rider.
    The rider who showed (and trained ) Van the Man was Dorthee Schneider (professional), not the young rider who owned the horse. This according to the article which was linked in an earlier post.
    We don't get less brave; we get a bigger sense of self-preservation........



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    Quote Originally Posted by 2tempe View Post
    The rider who showed (and trained ) Van the Man was Dorthee Schneider (professional), not the young rider who owned the horse. This according to the article which was linked in an earlier post.
    Ah, yes. You are correct.

    "Owned by Sven Rothenberger and originally intended as Grand Prix horse for his young rider daughter Sanneke Rothenberger, Van The Man was trained and competed to Grand Prix level by Dorothee Schneider. The black gelding competed very successfully in the Tesch Inkasso Upcoming Grand Prix horse show circuit in Germany, achieving consistent seventy percentage marks and a 72.604% in the Grand Prix Special at the 2011 CDI Fritzens."

    So much for the theory that the horse was more suitable for his Young Rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclectic Horseman View Post
    Ah, yes. You are correct.

    "Owned by Sven Rothenberger and originally intended as Grand Prix horse for his young rider daughter Sanneke Rothenberger, Van The Man was trained and competed to Grand Prix level by Dorothee Schneider. The black gelding competed very successfully in the Tesch Inkasso Upcoming Grand Prix horse show circuit in Germany, achieving consistent seventy percentage marks and a 72.604% in the Grand Prix Special at the 2011 CDI Fritzens."

    So much for the theory that the horse was more suitable for his Young Rider.
    Which, who even cares if the horse is suitable for his Young Rider?

    Cesar Parra last I checked is not a young rider and even takes money(beaucoup money) to train people's horses for them as a professional.

    God forbid a pro who has competed internationally suffer under the expectation that they be able to ride horses not suitable for children for several thousand dollars a month...?


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    I feel it should be noted that this "child," Sanneke Rothenberger, is one of the best FEI young riders in the entire world. She's been the German and European YR Champion fer cryin' out loud.

    Both her parents are decorated Grand Prix competitors, and she's ridden many different horses through ponies, Juniors, YR, and now I *think* she's competing at GP. She recently bought Tinne Vilhelmson's Olympic horse Favourit.

    This "child" can ride anything with 4 legs. They didn't sell Van the Man because she couldn't ride him. If Sanneke can't ride it, Cesar Parra probably couldn't even stay on it.
    In order to think outside the box, one must first know what is in the box.


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    I thought Van looked pretty good with Ms. Schneider...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadenz View Post

    I feel it should be noted that this "child," Sanneke Rothenberger, is one of the best FEI young riders in the entire world. She's been the German and European YR Champion fer cryin' out loud.

    Both her parents are decorated Grand Prix competitors, and she's ridden many different horses through ponies, Juniors, YR, and now I *think* she's competing at GP. She recently bought Tinne Vilhelmson's Olympic horse Favourit.

    This "child" can ride anything with 4 legs. They didn't sell Van the Man because she couldn't ride him. If Sanneke can't ride it, Cesar Parra probably couldn't even stay on it.
    I'm not sure anyone said they sold the horse because Sanneke couldn't ride him. Rather, it was felt the horse would not make it as a serious international contender. (I know someone who tried him...)

    Actually, CP's scores were not so far out of line with the scores Dorothee was achieving on the horse. https://data.fei.org/Horse/Performan...3BB2CDE2501850

    He had a string of pretty good shows last fall, but Van is not a reliable show horse - at least not at the international GP level. He sometimes says "NO" and in a big way. And, looking at his results in the FEI database, it appears he has mostly said NO at the FL shows - esp. the past couple of months. I guess we will see if CP can get him honest again as the year progresses, or if they will decide to back off on him, or "send him down the road".
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    Quote Originally Posted by DownYonder View Post
    I'm not sure anyone said they sold the horse because Sanneke couldn't ride him. Rather, it was felt the horse would not make it as a serious international contender.
    http://www.eurodressage.com/equestri...dr-cesar-parra

    http://www.horsus.nl/?p=nieuws&l=en&...oelbloedig-duo

    "At a recent Global Dressage Festival show, Parra said he was thrilled with Van The Man's ability to perform under stressful conditions. 'We were competing and the judge stopped us midway through our ride, due to an accidental error in evaluating the wrong test. Van the Man showed great composure in continuing the test and still scoring a 69%. It shows the true athlete he is as few horses can rebound from a similar event, yet still manage to score respectably,' Parra said.Van The Man was originally intended for Rothenberger’s daughter, Sanneke, to compete at the Grand Prix level, but due to her university studies and other horses the Rothenberger family decided to sell the stunning black gelding. "
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    Remember that "the top European riders" said Ravel couldn't learn changes, too.

    I suspect at times the rumors going around amount more to "the horse is way too expensive, let an American buy him" combined with "I prefer training horses my own way/in my own method"
    My horse is a dressage diva so I don't have to be.

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    This "child" can ride anything with 4 legs. They didn't sell Van the Man because she couldn't ride him. If Sanneke can't ride it, Cesar Parra probably couldn't even stay on it

    Pretty much.
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