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    Still jingling for Shade.



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    Thanks Squish I am trying not to freak out.

    Reading the bill it says - General Anesthesia - IV/Isoflurane

    Meds she is on are: Orbax, Amoxicillin, Surolan and Metacam.

    Personally I hate anesthesia of any kind. My son stopped breathing on the table during his last procedure. .



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    Thanks Squish I am trying not to freak out.

    Reading the bill it says - General Anesthesia - IV/Isoflurane

    Meds she is on are: Orbax, Amoxicillin, Surolan and Metacam.

    Personally I hate anesthesia of any kind. My son stopped breathing on the table during his last procedure. .



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    jingles for Shade, please keep us updated!



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    Quote Originally Posted by cnigh View Post
    I`m not going dignify the assinine comments above.

    Update on Shade:

    She is now at the vet and will be having surgery tomorrow. They pulled blood right away and will be doing exrays (before & after).

    I felt much better with this vet. Shade is a very loving dog - pats and kisses go a long way with her. She is in great hands.
    Well I'm glad Shade has had the surgery but I never made any assinine comments. Mostly I posted because you wouldn't let go of your pet theory that spay as treatment revealed a "gap in knowledge". I'm sure you'll come back with something nasty but don't bother, I won't read it.

    Never had an agenda when posting either, for you paranoid ones.



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    grayarabpony

    People like you aren`t worth the time and energy.

    As for Shade, I am keeping an eye on her. Spoke with the vet and she if off all food and meds until tomorrow. If she is still not well tomorrow she will be going back in.



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    Jingling for Shade. Please keep us posted.

    Don't beat yourself up about not spaying. I don't spay until the bitch is two to two and a half, because I have working border collies and there is some evidence that early spaying leads to increased chance of injury later in life (because it increases bone length, etc).

    When I showed dogs in conformation, of course, they could not be spayed until they retired. We had a chow bitch who developed pyometra at oh, eight yrs old or so, and she pulled through just fine after her surgery. I hope Shade has as good a result.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pAin't_Misbehavin' View Post
    Jingling for Shade. Please keep us posted.

    Don't beat yourself up about not spaying. I don't spay until the bitch is two to two and a half, because I have working border collies and there is some evidence that early spaying leads to increased chance of injury later in life (because it increases bone length, etc).

    When I showed dogs in conformation, of course, they could not be spayed until they retired. We had a chow bitch who developed pyometra at oh, eight yrs old or so, and she pulled through just fine after her surgery. I hope Shade has as good a result.
    Amen. Contrary to what you might think OP, most people on this thread are not trying to make you feel bad.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SquishTheBunny View Post
    Most dogs are induced wth propofol +/- diazepam/midazolam. Ketamine is used more frequently in cats.
    I wonder if this has some regionality? Lots of vets around here use ketamine to induce both.



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    Quote Originally Posted by grayarabpony View Post
    Well I'm glad Shade has had the surgery but I never made any assinine comments. Mostly I posted because you wouldn't let go of your pet theory that spay as treatment revealed a "gap in knowledge". I'm sure you'll come back with something nasty but don't bother, I won't read it.

    Never had an agenda when posting either, for you paranoid ones.
    GAP, I'm pretty sure the asinine comments were directed at me, and Hound Hill felt like I had an agenda.

    She was correct, I had an agenda to get this dog into the vet and spayed as soon as possible because I was terribly worried that she'd get die without it.

    Since the OP did get her dog spayed, I have backed off.

    I think none of this was directed at you.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Simkie View Post
    I wonder if this has some regionality? Lots of vets around here use ketamine to induce both.
    Sorry Simkie, I was talking about what we do at the hospital I work at. I agree Ket/Val is a very popular induction. Ketamine and Valium combination is very useful in many cases as ketamine will provide analgesia while Propofol does not.

    Many spay/neuters and healthy young dogs undergoing procedures such as cruciate repairs are generally fine with Ketamine Valium combo.

    Ketamine (and xylazine) are known for causing upset tummies on recovery, especially for short procedures (often worn off from longer procedures). This is why I try to avoid it in dogs unless they need it for additional pain control. However, we are not a spay/neuter hospital and most of the dogs undergoing surgery are undergoing other constant rate infusions of analgesia such as fentanyl, or epidurals to control the pain.

    I work with a boarded certified vet anesethist, and with boarded anesthesia technicians. I think this will be your big difference as 99% of technicians are not boarded with anesthesia and work on a "protocol" basis. Ket/Val is generally easier/safer for technicians as it doesnt cause apnea like propofol can. Most new graduates and techs that work at general practice clinics are usually more comfortable with it. Rightly so...propofol can be very scary in the wrong hands. Because of the knowledge of more drugs, we can pick the best suited drugs for each individual case. With so much experience with both ket/val and propofol I personally choose propofol for most dogs. However with cats I find induction to be more difficult and intubation a little more harsh than when they have the ketamine added on board. But, its really personal choice. We do everything from thoracotamies, liver lobectomies to laprascopic spays and everything inbetween...lots of different coctails of drugs per individual patient need.

    Regarding Shade - good vet for suggesting stopping medications. Metacam can cause gastric upset and potentially life threatening ulcers. Antibiotics can often cause generalized gastric upset. Hopefully its one of the above and with the elimination of them Shade will start to get her appetite back and stop vomiting. Its a rough procedure to go through as an older girl. Definitely a good choice for her at this point, but rough none the less. Jingles for a speedy recovery.


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    Maybe I guess the polite thing here would be to start another thread about spaying, leave this one about this poster's sick dog?


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    Squish, I love to read your posts about how you choose different protocols. Thanks for that.


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    I love anesthesia Troubleshooting difficult cases is just awesome, I feel like anesthesia House. Of course, its not quite the same without the a**hole attitude haha!


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    Quote Originally Posted by SquishTheBunny View Post
    I love anesthesia Troubleshooting difficult cases is just awesome, I feel like anesthesia House. Of course, its not quite the same without the a**hole attitude haha!
    I'm going to have to get that series from Netflix. I loved him as Bertie Wooster.



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    Jingles for poor dog.

    Quote Originally Posted by cnigh View Post
    Vacation1 - If my SIL's dog continues to have problems with the first break she may be PTS. It's sad but as much as they love this dog it has other issues as well and is hard to handle on a good day.
    The previous comments made it seem that the only problem with the dog was a series of frustrating health issues. If the dog's truly hard to handle - aka, bites or is seriously predatory - that's something else.



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    Jingles to Shady, I hope she picks up soon.



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    Well Shade is still vomitting. 3 times last night. And she won`t even look at dog food. I am sure the vet will want to check her today.

    I don`t know what to do for her. I am worried sick that she is not on her medication at all. She had surgery on Wed, came home Thursday and I have only been able to give her one dose.

    I`m thinking maybe asking about blood work today if the vet doesn`t suggest it. I really don`t want the infection to take her now.



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    Thinking of you and Shade! I hope the vet can figure out what is wrong and get her feeling better.



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    It could be the Metacam. Jingling away for Shade.
    "We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." ~Immanuel Kant



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