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    Default Totilas injured while breeding

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    Since he's gone to Germany....if they didn't have bad luck, they wouldn't have any luck at all.


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    arghh I hope he will be ok, Our own stallion was permanently injured breeding. It happens more than we know
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    That horse is not a happy chappy.
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    I thougt he was not supposed to be breeding this year?
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    I admit that this is a conspiracy theory thought... But the first thing that came to my mind was that having T out of competition (where he has doing poorly relative to his superhorse past), would be in the best interest of his present owners. It will allow the recent disappointing scores to fade from public memory, and his past brilliance will collect breedings.
    A convenient injury unrelated to riding is a perfect way to bow out of competing without having to eat humble pie.
    If they can't crack the T code, I don't think we will ever see that horse compete again. Any one else have the same thought?


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    I admit that this is a conspiracy theory thought... But the first thing that came to my mind was that having T out of competition (where he has doing poorly relative to his superhorse past), would be in the best interest of his present owners. It will allow the recent disappointing scores to fade from public memory, and his past brilliance will collect breedings.
    A convenient injury unrelated to riding is a perfect way to bow out of competing without having to eat humble pie.
    If they can't crack the T code, I don't think we will ever see that horse compete again. Any one else have the same thought?



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    Quote Originally Posted by arlosmine View Post
    I admit that this is a conspiracy theory thought... But the first thing that came to my mind was that having T out of competition (where he has doing poorly relative to his superhorse past), would be in the best interest of his present owners. It will allow the recent disappointing scores to fade from public memory, and his past brilliance will collect breedings.
    A convenient injury unrelated to riding is a perfect way to bow out of competing without having to eat humble pie.
    If they can't crack the T code, I don't think we will ever see that horse compete again. Any one else have the same thought?
    So they injured their multi-million dollar horse to save face? If they wanted to stop competing and breed instead, they would do just that. Now they have an $$$$$$ horse who can't currently be ridden OR bred.

    Bad luck for Totilas and the people involved with him. Hope he recovers quickly!
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    Pretty sure she's thinking he's not actually injured; it's just a good way to save face and get him out of competition without saying that they can't get him back to the level he was at previously with EG. Not that I've had any of the same thoughts or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arlosmine View Post
    I admit that this is a conspiracy theory thought... But the first thing that came to my mind was that having T out of competition (where he has doing poorly relative to his superhorse past), would be in the best interest of his present owners. It will allow the recent disappointing scores to fade from public memory, and his past brilliance will collect breedings.
    A convenient injury unrelated to riding is a perfect way to bow out of competing without having to eat humble pie.
    If they can't crack the T code, I don't think we will ever see that horse compete again. Any one else have the same thought?
    I postulated pretty much the same thing last year - and on this forum.

    This injury won't keep him from breeding - at least, not for long - but, coupled with all the other past issues, my thoughts are they are easing him toward competition retirement. I will be happy to eat my words if he does return to top competition success, but he does seem to be one of those stallions who cannot handle both breeding and heavy training - it is too much stress on him mentally and physically.


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    I am sure all this must be heartbreaking for Edward Gal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Grey_hunter View Post
    So they injured their multi-million dollar horse to save face? If they wanted to stop competing and breed instead, they would do just that. Now they have an $$$$$$ horse who can't currently be ridden OR bred.
    What she is saying is, in order to save face in the competition ring, she's theorizing that he is either not injured and they've possibly concocted a story which allows for a convenient exit from the show ring...or he has injured himself again, and it sounds a whole lot better that the injury occurred during breeding than during a training session.

    arlosmine, I'm not a big conspiracy person...but I have been thinking the same thing as you for quite awhile At the end of the day, some riders just don't have the same talent as other, and some horse/rider bonds just cannot be re-created with another rider. Not everyone can be an Edward Gal, and there is no shame in that....but it's hard when public opinion and scrutiny are constantly breathing down your neck.
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    I think it was a simple miss calculation of putting to much star power on the horse(not that he isn't amazing) and not enough on the rider. If Paul / Germany wanted the super star they should have bought Edward.
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    For a horse that is so talented and well managed, something isn't right.

    The timeline from Dressage News:
    - "Their first competition was to be at Hagen in 2011, but had to be put off when Totilas developed a hoof abscess."

    - "The Europeans [championships] in 2011 did not live up to expectations with the pair finishing fourth overall based on the results of three tests–Grand Prix, Special and Freestyle."

    - In 2012 "Matthias reported he was suffering from a viral infection, mononucleosis, and would not compete at Aachen, a German team observation trial, and he said he was not available to ride on the German team at London."

    -"The pair were dropped from Germany’s elite squad and have fallen to a placing of 320 on the International Equestrian Federation’s world rankings."

    - "Despite this, Matthias said he was aiming Totilas for the World Cup Finals at Gothenberg in April. But the pair did not compete in any of the eight qualifying events in the Western European League."

    - "Sport was the top priority for 2012, he said through his press agent a few weeks ago, and breeding would be kept to a minimum. "

    - "The [2013] European Championships were the next goal."

    - "Those now appear unlikely–or as the German magazine Stern reported, “almost impossible” because of a breeding accident."

    - "Matthias, 28, last weekend proposed to his longtime girlfriend, Franziska Eisenmann, 25, and set the wedding date as the week before the European Championships in Herning, Denmark in August."

    - "I have no further plans for Totilas for this [2013] season.”

    - "Matthias has not mentioned the world championships in Normandy, France next year but has said several times he is shooting for the next Olympics at Rio de Janeiro in 2016–3 1/2 years from now when Totilas will be 16 years old."
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    I think that everybody involved with this horse (including Totilas) needs a break to re-group. Perhaps this injury (real or fake) will give them the opportunity to do that.

    Gal never should have lost the ride on the stallion, and while I think that Rath has more competency in his right foot than I ever will have, it's just not a match made in heaven. That's got to sting when you factor in all the money that has been spent on the endeavor, but that's horses. I wish that somebody would just say enough is enough and either move the horse on (not that they would currently make ANY money back... given his record since he's been sold)or send him back to Gal, whose team seemed to be much better at managing the poor horse.

    But, of course, this is all easily said from my computer, with no money invested whatsoever. My guess is that the people invested in him are not horse people so horsemanship is non-existent. Its purely about money and saving face at this point.
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    It is important to remember that Toto was not breeding with Gal, or at least not until the very end of their partnership. Some stallions have difficulty managing both breeding and competing....not to mention all the changes and a new rider.
    Poor Toto!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Superminion View Post
    My guess is that the people invested in him are not horse people so horsemanship is non-existent. Its purely about money and saving face at this point.
    You are kidding ?
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    For a horse that is so talented and well managed, something isn't right.
    I agree


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynnwood View Post
    I think it was a simple miss calculation of putting to much star power on the horse(not that he isn't amazing) and not enough on the rider. If Paul / Germany wanted the super star they should have bought Edward.
    I am pretty sure he would not co-operate in the breeding shed


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    Sorry the horse is injured... But that picture in the article, "... breathtaking gaits" makes me want to vomit.


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