The Chronicle of the Horse
MagazineNewsHorse SportsHorse CareCOTH StoreVoicesThe Chronicle UntackedMarketplaceDates & Results
 
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 56
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Dec. 28, 2012
    Posts
    138

    Default x

    Last edited by ponypappy; Aug. 8, 2013 at 01:06 AM.



  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb. 6, 2003
    Location
    Deep South
    Posts
    14,231

    Default

    Isn't that Catherine Haddad's husband ?
    ... _. ._ .._. .._



  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct. 14, 2005
    Posts
    2,596

    Default

    I believe so.



  4. #4
    Join Date
    Oct. 14, 2005
    Posts
    2,596

    Default

    I wonder if it's an issue of who the owner is now as opposed to who was the owner at the time of treatment? These records are part of all the ongoing lawsuits, correct?



  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct. 12, 2005
    Location
    Va
    Posts
    2,105

    Default

    Wow! Just Wow! I just fead the complaints. If half of what the lawsuit is true, this guy and associates belong in jail.


    1 members found this post helpful.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Mar. 24, 2012
    Posts
    1,546

    Default

    If half of what the lawsuit is true, this guy and associates belong in jail.
    Dear Lord. Sounds complicated. The issue might be around who was the owner or client at the time in question and so who has access to the records?

    Innocent until proven guilty.


    1 members found this post helpful.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Oct. 12, 2005
    Location
    Va
    Posts
    2,105

    Default

    Sorry, tried to edit for clarity. Yes, the vet needs to turn over the records imo, but the jail reference was for the proported fraud by Parra.



  8. #8
    Join Date
    Dec. 16, 2003
    Location
    Staunton, VA, USA
    Posts
    2,481

    Default As it is documentation from a lawsuit

    I'd bet it will all depend on who was the owner at the time of the examination and who is the owner now. Those records are a vital part of a lawsuit. The vet in question might not be in a position to release them.
    Another part of the mess that is Dr Parra and his operations!
    Melyni (PhD) PAS, Dipl. ACAN.
    Sign up for the Equine nutrition enewsletter on www.foxdenequine.com
    New edition of book is out:
    Horse Nutrition Handbook.

    www.knabstruppers4usa.com


    2 members found this post helpful.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jun. 20, 2009
    Location
    Hunterdon County NJ
    Posts
    2,765

    Default

    Our local heroes.... You can't be the drama in Hunterdon County. The entertainment value at hand in the area just can't be beat.


    1 members found this post helpful.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Feb. 20, 2011
    Location
    Dutchess county, NY
    Posts
    864

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Melyni View Post
    I'd bet it will all depend on who was the owner at the time of the examination and who is the owner now. Those records are a vital part of a lawsuit. The vet in question might not be in a position to release them.
    Another part of the mess that is Dr Parra and his operations!
    I agree...another factor could be who PAID the vet.



  11. #11
    Join Date
    Feb. 23, 2005
    Location
    Spotsylvania, VA
    Posts
    12,228

    Default

    Based on this http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/equine...rra-et-al.aspx
    it might not be clear who actually owned the horse at any given time. If the court found the morgans weren't the owners at the time of the vet treatment could the vet be in trouble if he gave them the records?
    Smurf
    Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
    "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
    The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.


    1 members found this post helpful.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Aug. 25, 2005
    Location
    Northeast
    Posts
    9,892

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ponypappy View Post
    state veterinary board rule N.J.A.C. 13:44-4.9(f). It mandates “that copies of a licensee’s record or a summary report of such record and copies of all pertinent objective data and papers pertaining to a given patient… shall be furnished to the patient’s owed, a designated representative or a designated veterinarian within 10 business days of a written request by the owner or duly authorized representative.”
    Just because I say I owned the horse at the time, may not have been the veterinarian's understanding at the time of service. When people are throwing lawsuits around it is a wise individual who takes the conservative course.
    Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.


    5 members found this post helpful.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Nov. 2, 2006
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    1,599

    Default

    I wouldn't be surprised if the vet in question had been advised by his own attorney not to release the records.


    9 members found this post helpful.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Mar. 8, 2009
    Location
    Montreal, Qc
    Posts
    2,820

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by carolprudm View Post
    Based on this http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/equine...rra-et-al.aspx
    it might not be clear who actually owned the horse at any given time. If the court found the morgans weren't the owners at the time of the vet treatment could the vet be in trouble if he gave them the records?
    They actually have nothing to loose, more than they already have, so their lawer will try to ask for everything they can think of, legal or not so much.
    From what I read, I don't think they owned the horse at that point/or paid for the vet visit.

    Ex. When you do a PPE on a horse that you don't own, are the result be released to the horse owner? Not at all.
    If you buy the horse, does the ex-owner have to release the horse record? Not at all.

    So it is not always that clear.


    6 members found this post helpful.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Mar. 24, 2012
    Posts
    1,546

    Default

    Looks murky and apparently involves shared ownership throughout. Don't know the details here but sometimes it is safer to just get a court ruling before releasing documents when you have a dog's breakfast like this so as not to expose oneself to even more lawsuits from other parties. Of course the records need to be kept in tact but that is standard anyway as part of a vet's professional responsibilities .

    We are all just guessing which is not reliable information.

    Just chiming in to say I wouldn't crucify the vet just yet without a lot more information.


    9 members found this post helpful.

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Mar. 24, 2012
    Posts
    1,546

    Default

    The lawsuits have been thrown, right at Dr. Staller. I do not think the parties involved would spend the time and $ to pursue documents they do not have a right to have, imo
    If it were the case that no plaintiff would ever proceed without being correct, that would be wonderful as we would not need the courts.

    Are you involved in this case, ponypappy? You seem to hold a bias agst the vet before all facts are known.


    3 members found this post helpful.

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Jan. 13, 2003
    Posts
    6,792

    Default

    The law in NJ is very clear that Veterinarians must keep records on the horses they examine or treat and copies must be turned over with 3 days of receiving a written request for copies. I know these laws exist in most states if you check the professional practice laws. And these laws have existed for sometime because I know there are many Veterinarians who had to store BOXES of records prior to the time when they could be kept on computers.
    In states that have these laws - you should be able to request a complete history of treatment for any horse you own from the attending Veterinarian. I live in NJ and we offer to provide that to potential Buyers.

    The Veterinarian Group that we have sends us a list of our horses every few years to ask if they are still alive or owned by us and if they can archive those that are not.
    Summit Sporthorses Ltd. Inc.
    "Breeding Competition Partners & Lifelong Friends"


    1 members found this post helpful.

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Jan. 13, 2003
    Posts
    6,792

    Default

    Crockpot - it may be easier - but I see no reason why a Veterinarian would have any basis to require a Court ruling when the owner or even co-owner asked for the records.
    Summit Sporthorses Ltd. Inc.
    "Breeding Competition Partners & Lifelong Friends"


    1 members found this post helpful.

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Aug. 14, 2000
    Location
    Clarksdale, MS--the golden buckle on the cotton belt
    Posts
    17,600

    Default

    If the plaintiffs already have an on-going lawsuit and the vet records are relevant, they could easily get them in discovery as part of a deposition.

    Perhaps the lesson to be learned from all the litigation is to stay very far away from Dr. Parra.
    "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
    Thread killer Extraordinaire


    8 members found this post helpful.

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Mar. 8, 2009
    Location
    Montreal, Qc
    Posts
    2,820



Similar Threads

  1. Show records of imported horses?
    By NJRider in forum Sport Horse Breeding
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: Oct. 20, 2012, 09:40 PM
  2. Withholding food prevents colic
    By HillnDale in forum Horse Care
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: Oct. 7, 2012, 12:03 AM
  3. Trainer allegedly abuses horse - tongue lacerated
    By Old Mac Donald in forum Off Course
    Replies: 390
    Last Post: Mar. 7, 2012, 12:57 PM
  4. Truck Dealership Sued for Fire That Killed Two Horses
    By Mike Matson in forum Off Course
    Replies: 32
    Last Post: Jun. 5, 2011, 11:35 PM
  5. Replies: 23
    Last Post: Apr. 27, 2010, 12:20 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
randomness