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    Well, yes but 10000 ius is probably not going to overdose a horse. I would of course talk to your vet first before doing it but my guy is on 8000 a day now but was at 10000 a day when he was going through epm treatment and we dropped him to 8000 when the treatment was over. Have another horse on 8000 a day also because of epm. Ughhhh my horses and epm, I can't win. But that aside it is something you could check for or talk to your vet about it.
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    http://animalscience.ag.utk.edu/hors...ses4-23-03.pdf

    Here is some info on vitamin e and muscles for you and if you decide with your vet to try it Kentucky performance products makes the best that I've found called elevate ws but you have to have a prescription for the ws formula that have others that you do not like the maintenance but the ws is a water soluble so it absorbs easier in the body for a loading dose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rabicon View Post
    http://animalscience.ag.utk.edu/hors...ses4-23-03.pdf

    Here is some info on vitamin e and muscles for you and if you decide with your vet to try it Kentucky performance products makes the best that I've found called elevate ws but you have to have a prescription for the ws formula that have others that you do not like the maintenance but the ws is a water soluble so it absorbs easier in the body for a loading dose.
    You don't need a script to purchase Elevate WS:

    http://www.allivet.com/p-727-elevate...vitamin-e.aspx



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    When supplementing with vitamin E you should also take into consideration how much you horse is getting in his feed and then go from there. I usually start with a program like Feed XL.

    As for products, the least expensive one I've found is the natural Vitamin E from Costco. That's what I feed!
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    If he were my horse, I would get his back injected and put him on a course of RVI. It works great for sore muscles.

    If that didn't do the trick or it came back, I would get his hocks injected. I know that you said he was fine but a little discomfort in his hocks could cause him to carry himself wrong and strain his back.

    Good luck.


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    http://kppusa.com/all-products/elevate-ws/

    From their website it is only available to vets, which you are suppose to need a script. I'm not sure how allivet is doing it but I know Karen at kpp and it's a script med and the only way I got it was through my vet with a script.
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    Also for sale here:

    http://www.hagyardpharmacy.com/eleva...bba2b91356d7bd

    here: http://www.heartlandvetsupply.com/p-...te-ws-8oz.aspx

    here: http://davisonvetmedicine.vetsourcew...oductId=115079

    here: http://www.mandakvet.com/itemView/vi...oductId=115079

    here: http://www.atozvetsupply.com/Elevate...-kpp990001.htm

    etc. Multiple places.

    It may be "available through your veterinarian only" (and a variety of vet supply companies that also sell to the public) but it is not an RX item.



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    Yes but look at the sites
    http://davisonvetmedicine.vetsourcew...oductId=110783
    No word about needing a script for dex and I do believe you need one for that

    This one says is only through vets also so why on their site? Because you get a script for it and buy if from them
    http://www.hagyardpharmacy.com/eleva...bba2b91356d7bd

    This one says ask your vet about it because you probably need a script
    http://www.heartlandvetsupply.com/p-...te-ws-8oz.aspx

    This site says nothing about needing a script for prednisone but I'm sure you need one
    http://www.mandakvet.com/itemView/vi...roductId=98011

    And this one I can get PCN without a script? Probably not
    http://www.atozvetsupply.com/PenOne-...-p/41-5010.htm

    Maybe they have changed the requirements but I will ask and find out. My point with this is these sites don't always tell you that you need a script until you got to order the product and then they will ask for it. Have you actually bought elevate ws before?
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    I have bought Elevate WS, several times, on the instruction of my vet, who told me to purchase online. I did not need a script. It is not an RX item, and has not been for at least four or five years (if it ever was.)

    Take a look at the Hagyard site, as I believe we can all agree that they are legit and on the up and up considering it is a very respected hospital.

    ZERO mention of requiring a script: http://www.hagyardpharmacy.com/eleva...bba2b91356d7bd

    Obvious script item? Note stating the requirement: http://www.hagyardpharmacy.com/hyvis...nge-p-375.html

    Elevate WS is not an RX item.

    I don't really have the bucks to blow ordering this stuff without a script when I don't need it just to prove that it does not require a script, but perhaps all of these links will be useful for someone else who needs to source it and find the best price. All of the sites I listed before will fill the order without a script.



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    I have been treating my horses for various back issues since about '94. Most of the time the back soreness originally was cause by saddles. 1 had the panels on crooked, one was a dressage saddle that restuffed poorly and one was caused by a tree that had spread and which was replaced by the manufacture last year. I can tell you for fact the Chiro done correctly, if that is issue, works and it works immediately or in a couple days if they are really out. Last year my horse had issues caused by a combination of saddle and an unsympathetic rider leaving the horse sore everywhere. I have learned what type of soreness maybe caused by the saddle, what by hock, what by SI issues and others by rider issues. I have had acupuncture, chiro, back injections, mesotherapy, message etc. done over the years. You are asking for what you can do for yourself there are many videos on you tube as others have suggested I really like the masterson method and I do most of the techniques on this video http://holistichorseworks.com everyday, plus I do message, carrot stretches, shoulder exercises and accupressure. The butt tucks and back lifts on the video are done by a lot of boarders including the barn owner after seeing the results that I got using the techniques. All these exercises are free, pretty easy and in you are willing to invest the time can strengthen the horses back. Been down this tough path - wishing you the best of luck. FYI: It does take about 5 weeks for you to see a difference.



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    Thanks for the link to holistic horse works. I'm not familiar with her. Looks liek a DVD that I need to own.

    As for chiro -- my experience is that it works immediately, but if you don't combine it with massage/body work, the underlying muscle tightness can snap it back out of place so it needs to be done together. So far with my horse, the acupressure/massage has done enough. But I also believe that there's a lot of similarities between "body work" and chiro depending on who you are working with. The person who does bodywork on my horse does several things that I've seen chiropractors do (he just charges me less).

    Quote Originally Posted by czgm7r View Post
    I have been treating my horses for various back issues since about '94. Most of the time the back soreness originally was cause by saddles. 1 had the panels on crooked, one was a dressage saddle that restuffed poorly and one was caused by a tree that had spread and which was replaced by the manufacture last year. I can tell you for fact the Chiro done correctly, if that is issue, works and it works immediately or in a couple days if they are really out. Last year my horse had issues caused by a combination of saddle and an unsympathetic rider leaving the horse sore everywhere. I have learned what type of soreness maybe caused by the saddle, what by hock, what by SI issues and others by rider issues. I have had acupuncture, chiro, back injections, mesotherapy, message etc. done over the years. You are asking for what you can do for yourself there are many videos on you tube as others have suggested I really like the masterson method and I do most of the techniques on this video http://holistichorseworks.com everyday, plus I do message, carrot stretches, shoulder exercises and accupressure. The butt tucks and back lifts on the video are done by a lot of boarders including the barn owner after seeing the results that I got using the techniques. All these exercises are free, pretty easy and in you are willing to invest the time can strengthen the horses back. Been down this tough path - wishing you the best of luck. FYI: It does take about 5 weeks for you to see a difference.
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    I use this product for vitamin E. 1000 IU softgels that can be cut up or some horses eat them whole in the feed:

    http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swans...0-iu-250-sgels

    I tested a horse before and after using the Swanson product and the vitamin E levels raised considerably; so I'm confident that it has good bioavailability.

    That being said, I will throw in the third or fourth vote for x-rays or ultrasound performed by a competent vet. You never know what you will find in there. If it is kissing spines, you could inject the affected facets. Hard to do when you don't know exactly which ones are affected.



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    I have had good results from a GOOD chiropractor (we have two out here that are DVMs). The chiro was even the one to really see/ feel how my horse was out in the SI after several other vets (including an excellent back specialist) did not. I totally credit him for my horse's almost complete recovery.

    I have had results from magnesium. When I asked my vet, she said I would see results in 3 weeks if it was going to work. His topline grew out of two saddles within a couple of months. Barnmate with a stereotypical chestnut TB mare did not have such dramatic results but has noticed mare is much better about brushing, warming up, etc.

    Baxter WILL NOT wear a saddle without a sheepskin pad under it. Doesn't matter if it fits better without it. He wants padding. Another saddle point -- my friend has a saddle that fits her horse beautifully. Except: his girth pocket is about 6 inches forward of where the tree points/ billets need to be. He absolutely MUST have an anatomic girth or else the saddle will slide onto his shoulder and drop the back of the panels onto him. Worth checking and easily remedied.

    There is a "new" kissing spine treatment where they nick the ligaments along the spine to reduce the compression. Less invasive and supposedly less traumatic with better recovery. Might be worth looking into if you really think that's it.



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    Again, chiro is not happening, not just because I'm not a fan, but more so because I just can't afford it (or acupuncture, etc) right now.

    His saddles are good. His dressage saddle (which he wears once or twice a week) isn't perfect, but the issues are easily managed and he likes it. His jumping saddle is quite literally brand new and made for him. It arrived Thursday...he's used it three times. He also ALWAYS goes with a sheepskin against his Toby skin.

    We started Quiessence last night. I am very intrigued by the Masterson Method and will spend some time researching it tomorrow when I have more time. Thanks for all the ideas.



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    I had a chestnut TB mare with the same symptoms. Quiessence, and acupuncture. She wouldn't tolerate chiro but loved acupuncture. Good luck to you!



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    Just as a side note, he HATED the hot towel. He was miserable yesterday, and that was the only thing very different that we did (well, that, and I lunged him pre-ride as suggested by the vet). I don't know WHY it was such a big thing to him, unless he just could not deal with the sensation.

    Today we did our more normal routine of groom then hang out in the magnetic blanket plus a quick spin on the lunge line and he was much happier from the get go. The Quiessence may have kicked in, too. While quiet is not what I really needed to go for, he was super quiet...between that and the robaxin, poor guy may be feeling a little too laid back. Will be cutting something back, I think!



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    If he's working well, are you sure he's really back sore? I'd be more inclined to say that it just comes with winter, everyone is a little stiff standing around, and if he's been swaddled in plenty of blankets that could be affecting him as well.

    And I don't blame you a bit for not considering chiropractic care. I've had far too many 'highly recommended' hacks crank on my gelding with little result.



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    Quote Originally Posted by callmegold View Post
    If he's working well, are you sure he's really back sore? I'd be more inclined to say that it just comes with winter, everyone is a little stiff standing around, and if he's been swaddled in plenty of blankets that could be affecting him as well.
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    Really? Never heard of a horse getting that stiff just because it's winter.



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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowbritches View Post
    I think sometimes he ends up causing a lot of these issues to himself by going around being tense (because he's cold and/or uncomfortable in his clothes). He has a lot of skin issues and is VERY sensitive to touch and life (massage therapist says he is the absolutely most sensitive horse she's met), which can make deciphering HOW sore he really is challenging (is he really sore, or is he just over reacting to being touched?).

    Any ideas would be appreciated. I want to do right by him, but at some point I just run out of funds!
    davistina, consider yourself lucky then. The OP says herself that she thinks the cold is a part of the issue. I know that with my back problems, walking outside into the cold without enough jackets on can make my muscles tense up. I'd imagine that there could be a similiar response in a clipped horse having his blankets stripped off for grooming/tacking. Not that there's much of a way around it.

    I'm just saying that as a broke college kid I understand where the OP is coming from and if he's going well under saddle I just don't think there is a reason to have kittens about injections/xrays or surgery.
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    Default Spa treatments can help

    Chiropractic and acupuncture sessions can really help. Shockwave just masks the pain response and does not e
    Alleviate the actual condition.



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