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    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream Believer View Post
    Really???? I blame Obama for a lot. He's in charge and he should rightfully take the blame for what has gone wrong since he's been president. If he can't work with Republicans (he makes no attempt to other than to blame them for everything), than it's HIS fault for not reaching out to them and trying to come to some sort of compromise. He has to do something other than stand there and run his yap, point his finger, and swing his golf clubs. It's his freaking job.

    Sequestration was HIS idea to begin with and now he's blaming the Republicans YET AGAIN rather than taking responsibility for the mess. So freaking typical of him. I don't blame the Republicans for standing back and letting him sweat right now...I'd be doing the same...time to play chicken and quit caving in at the last minute and giving him what he wants. It's about time this useless excuse for a President has to do something other than do publicity campaigning and play golf and take some responsibility for his incompetence. Maybe he could finally do a budget and get the Dem. controlled senate to at least VOTE on one???? It's only overdue by several years.
    It wasn't his idea to begin with. Paul Ryan has been talking about it since 2006. Lest you forget (conveniently) there was a meeting on the day of his inauguration in 2008 where the GOP decided they were going to obstruct anything and everything. Let's put the blame where it belongs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyoteco View Post
    He won by fraud and it's that simple. Our swing state was lost to us by fraud, too. The progressives don't care, though, and with the press belonging to Obama, there really isn't anything I know to do to stop the fraud - I've tried to address it for 30 years when my vote was first stolen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FitToBeTied View Post
    Three things about the sequester.

    When it was proposed by the Obama administration and accepted by the republicans it was supposed to be so horrific that no one would ever consider letting it happen. So the first thing we have learned from this is that what politicians consider horrific and what normal people consider horrific are two different things.

    The second is that both side actually like chunks of the sequester happening because they cut sacred cows. The dems will let through in order to cut defense and the repubs will let it through in order to cut entitlement programs.

    Third, the actual sequester doesn't matter to the politicians only how much blame can you assign to the other guy.

    Both sides have ridiculous economic ideas. Despite what the WH claims, the economy sucks and is projected to suck for the next four years. Any kid in economics 101 will tell you that raising taxes (Obama idea) or cutting spending (republican idea) is a bad thing to do in a bad economy. Both will reduce job and GDP growth.
    You think cutting spending is a bad idea?! It is the only way to recovery.


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    Remember all those anti-big-government types who made their arguments for slimming down government? Among other people and factors, you folks living in areas substantially driven by the industry of government and DoD contracts should take note. *This* is what it looks like when we shrink government.

    But really, folks, it's just that we have run up a huge bar tab for the last 40 years and are not scrambling to pay it. Whatever ideological persuasion you like, I think the bottom line is the financial bottom line.
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    Coyoteco in a bad economy cutting spending is a bad idea. I totally believe in reducing the deficit but you can't do it when the economy is in the sewer. Cutting spending will jack up unemployment. The people you cut loose will end up on unemployment insurance, so you "savings" will be seriously reduced. Plus you now have people who are not paying taxes. So your net is (Salary saved) - unemployment - (taxes not paid) - (consumption benefits). Not much net gain.

    What we should be doing is reducing personal and corporate taxes and weakening the dollar to increase exports.
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    On the private industry having cutbacks..in my line of work the private industry people make much more than I do. I have two college degrees and 15 years experience. IF I went to private industry I would be at least a director level if not VP. I chose to work for the government because it serves the military. Yes I do well but it hasn't been without serious sacrafice and working my rear off for years. I have gotten not even a cost of living increase in years. Yet my rent is high and other bills. I am also single which means my tax rate is stupidly high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyoteco View Post
    You think cutting spending is a bad idea?! It is the only way to recovery.
    Actually, no. Most recoveries have been fueled by an INCREASE in government spending, spending that goes to the 98%, not subsidies for big multinational companies like Exxon and not tax cuts for multimillionairs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyoteco View Post
    He won by fraud and it's that simple. Our swing state was lost to us by fraud, too. The progressives don't care, though, and with the press belonging to Obama, there really isn't anything I know to do to stop the fraud - I've tried to address it for 30 years when my vote was first stolen.
    The last four or five years have shown that the GOP is simply delusional. From Obama is a Kenyan born Muslim fascist socialist who paid millions of dollars to hide his college records to Romney is going to win to "It was a fraud" the GOP needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Until the GOP realizes that they can't treat most of the voters like $hit they will be stuck in the trash can of history.

    And I hope it starts with Cooch next year
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    Quote Originally Posted by FitToBeTied View Post
    Coyoteco in a bad economy cutting spending is a bad idea. I totally believe in reducing the deficit but you can't do it when the economy is in the sewer. Cutting spending will jack up unemployment. The people you cut loose will end up on unemployment insurance, so you "savings" will be seriously reduced. Plus you now have people who are not paying taxes. So your net is (Salary saved) - unemployment - (taxes not paid) - (consumption benefits). Not much net gain.

    What we should be doing is reducing personal and corporate taxes and weakening the dollar to increase exports.
    I think it's a tad more complicated. Cutting from the paychecks of those who can afford it does not lead to job loss and folks signing up for welfare. Cutting across the board arguably does, depending on how close to real poverty some large segment of the population does.

    Again, Congressional fat cats (and Obama's golf vacation) should be first in line. It's horrifying to me that Congress still awards its members perks like lifetime healthcare. How is that even politically tenable at this point?
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    We could use a seqeuster a week for the forseeable future.


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    Just in case some folks still believe that the sequester wasn't Obama's doing. Here is Jay Carney admitting it.


    JAY CARNEY: What I will concede is that we were looking and the Republicans were looking for a trigger around which to build a mechanism to get us out of default possibility and the sequester was one of the idea put forward, yes by the president's team. (Special Report, February 12, 2013)

    Those of you that will hit on the "president's team" portion of the program, where does the buck stop in the white house? Who the heck is in charge? At some point the president is going to have to stand up and accept some responsibility for something!
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    Just in case some folks still believe that the sequester wasn't Obama's doing. Here is Jay Carney admitting it.
    Who the heck cares. The system is broken and all the finger pointing in the world changes nothing.

    Until we elect leaders who put the country and its people before party and special interests, we are destined to the fate of the Roman Empire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by happymom View Post
    Who the heck cares. The system is broken and all the finger pointing in the world changes nothing.

    Until we elect leaders who put the country and its people before party and special interests, we are destined to the fate of the Roman Empire.
    Wow are you Hillary Clinton in disguise? I care, millions of people care, that's who cares. I want a president that can take his lumps and admit his participation in this whole thing. Not a president that deflects and points fingers. What kind of a leader is that? Certainly not one that projects any type of confidence in his leadership or abilities to fix things.

    All the finger pointing in the world is coming directly from the president! He needs to be the first to stop "finger pointing". When that happens maybe then I will have a different outlook.
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    Brookes

    Wow are you Hillary Clinton in disguise?
    You totally don't get it.



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    I think you two are actually in agreement.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brookes View Post
    Wow are you Hillary Clinton in disguise? I care, millions of people care, that's who cares. I want a president that can take his lumps and admit his participation in this whole thing. Not a president that deflects and points fingers. What kind of a leader is that? Certainly not one that projects any type of confidence in his leadership or abilities to fix things.

    All the finger pointing in the world is coming directly from the president! He needs to be the first to stop "finger pointing". When that happens maybe then I will have a different outlook.
    And when we are done with all that... can we please get back to paying the bar bill that has been growing for 40 years....since before the careers of all the people currently in power started?
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    My question now is how to actually get people that can do that to hold office. The people that seem to be seeking out office aren't doing it.

    There's a terrible dead spot in the whole concept here. I still can't believe the nearly exactly same set of clowns got re-elected...? Really? We signed up for The Sequel of a really bad cast of characters? Second verse same as the first. Which isn't even to say that we could have gotten in any problem solvers.

    Things are so fubared... it's like the crew is in a fist fight on the ship that's sinking. And we're the passengers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboymom View Post
    Things are so fubared... it's like the crew is in a fist fight on the ship that's sinking. And we're the passengers.
    Awesome, and almost perfect, you just forgot that most of what they are fighting about is who's fault it is. It's like watching a bunch of kindergarteners: "It's his fault!" "NahAh..it was them!"

    Really, at this point who gives a shit who started it; work together and solve it like an actual group of grown ups!


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    Exactly!



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