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    Quote Originally Posted by Beentheredonethat View Post
    Seriously, though, do you think emails and phone calls would even make a difference? They seem to ignore the will of the people no matter what they pretend.
    I don't know, but it sure makes me feel like I'm doing something. And what they can't ignore is getting voted out
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    Yeah. We need to get the protesting thing down better. They protest about everything in Europe.


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    “There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.”
    John Adams

    We sadly are on the fast track to becoming vulnerable to both. The solution would be for our government to pull its collective head out of its bum and start functioning for the betterment of a nations people rather then the betterment of government.
    "I would not beleive her if her tongue came notorized"


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    Lynnwood....Amen! to your post!

    Don't know if we can pull their heads out--cutting our military back but sending
    Egypt 16 brand new fighters. The age of many of Air Force aircraft is almost as old as I am.

    And yes, we have all paid into Medicare and SS....that money goes into general funds these days and has for decades. The trust fund is nothing but IOU's. And
    if we aren't already borrowing money to make today's payments, we soon will be.
    A whole lot of folks who have never paid into it collect from it and it goes for far
    more than retirement purposes.
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    We have all paid into Medicare & SS, and get MANY times over what was ever paid in. It's a Ponzi scheme. No way I'm ever getting out what I put in. However my aunt, who never worked a day in her life, has probably pulled in several hundred thousand in benefits, and thinks she should get whatever her little hear desires. Yes, I am bitter about this.

    I work for DoD and wonder about my job. We have been quietly dealing with sequestration and CRs for quite a while. We are now dealing with it not so quietly. I can hardly wait for the expose's that will come out in few years decrying the military/DoD for spending so much on things that don't work. Hey, we would have done the testing to find and fix the problems, but the funding for that was cut. We had to trust the PowerPoint. Sorry.

    Having dealt with the @ss that my district elected to Congress, no amount of emails of letters will help. If Pelosi or Reid farts, this guy is going to Mars. He has no concept of frugality or saving. But he's what The People want.


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    Quote Originally Posted by minnie View Post
    I'm actually quite well versed in history, thank you very much. "i have seen yesterday, therefore I know tomorrow" That's why I know why we should fund,equip and maintain a strong national defense.
    I love statements like this. As though we have two choices, a bloated national defense or a weak one. Sheesh.

    Also, for anyone who's interested, here's a piece written by Reagan's Secretary of the Navy that discusses wasteful spending not as it relates to the size of our combined fighting forces, but to contracting:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124787043032160493.html
    Last edited by Windsor1; Feb. 19, 2013 at 02:55 PM.
    Everyone is entitled to my opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by red mares View Post
    We have all paid into Medicare & SS, and get MANY times over what was ever paid in. It's a Ponzi scheme. No way I'm ever getting out what I put in.
    You know that's a direct contradiction right? We've been hearing "social security is running out of money" for practically forever. It's solvent right now, with no fixes, until 2037. A few slight tweaks and it's good for 75 more years.
    "We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." ~Immanuel Kant


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    Quote Originally Posted by Windsor1 View Post
    I love statements like this. As though we have two choices, a strong national defense or a weak one. Sheesh.
    And as Ron Paul rightly said, "They're over here because we're over there."

    Building and running an Empire has little to do with national defense, which as someone rightly pointed out, is a vital core function of government.
    If I knew what I were doing, why would I take lessons?

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    but no simpler." - Einstein


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamantane View Post
    And as Ron Paul rightly said, "They're over here because we're over there."

    Building and running an Empire has little to do with national defense, which as someone rightly pointed out, is a vital core function of government.
    You can get a "AMEN!" brother!

    And it now occurs to me that I ought to have said, " . . . as though we have two choices -- a BLOATED national defense or a weak one."

    We all want a STRONG national defense.
    Everyone is entitled to my opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beentheredonethat View Post
    You know, fiscally and such our military is out of control. The idea that we are also supposed to be the world police is arrogant and insulting.

    We're SUPPOSED to be reducing spending, of which military is the most. (Don't argue--see the other thread about this if need be. ALL protection, military, etc. is about 40% of the budget. And, no SS and medicare we pay INTO, so no counting that as straight spending.) The majority of the US public wants to cut military. I don't think the rest of the world wants us to be the world police. The out of control spending going to all of this, if spent on our OWN country to rebuild it, educate or kids, keep us healthy, etc., would be much better spent.

    Congress and the president won't seem to listen. I hear NONE of them talking about reducing, especially the supposed "fiscal conservatives" who want "less big government." Isn't a giant military ALL big government? I mean, we had eight years of "terrorists" to keep up the spending. Before that we had the threat of nukes. Time to give it up. I realize it requires cutting a lot of purse strings to people and corps. used to getting this money, and some jobs will be lost, be we sure need to redirect all of that into a better future besides always pretending we have to protect ourselves against some threat. But, the speeches are still out there about why we have to still allocate more to military. Really?

    Yeah, there are threats, but we don't need this much.

    Do you think we're ever going to be able to get anywhere with this? How do we get our elected representatives to do the will of the people?

    I'm thinking of this because I had my 8th graders watch the State of the Union and respond, and even they were wondering about the whole balancing of the budget thing and how you can do that and increase military spending.
    Once again you have demonstrated your extraordinary ignorance of security issues by parroting a bunch of cliches that have been around since the '60s.

    Conflating "domestic security spending" (DepHomeSec, DepJustice, DepTreasury, etc.) with DoD is wildly and, IMO, intentionally misleading. Put another way, you're lying. Each has it's own sphere of irresponsibility. While they overlap, as they should, they are separate entities with separate missions.

    Can you cut any and/or all of this? Of course you can. Then, when the consequences manifest themselves, we can calculate a cost per dead body by dividing the number of dead into the savings achieve. Should make for some interesting math.

    Having said the above, I have no objection to intelligent, rationally based debate on our international role or the levels of force necessary to protect legitimate interests. But screeds like the OP do nothing more than generate smoke but no light.

    G.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guilherme View Post
    Once again you have demonstrated your extraordinary ignorance of security issues by parroting a bunch of cliches that have been around since the '60s.

    Conflating "domestic security spending" (DepHomeSec, DepJustice, DepTreasury, etc.) with DoD is wildly and, IMO, intentionally misleading. Put another way, you're lying. Each has it's own sphere of irresponsibility. While they overlap, as they should, they are separate entities with separate missions.

    Can you cut any and/or all of this? Of course you can. Then, when the consequences manifest themselves, we can calculate a cost per dead body by dividing the number of dead into the savings achieve. Should make for some interesting math.

    Having said the above, I have no objection to intelligent, rationally based debate on our international role or the levels of force necessary to protect legitimate interests. But screeds like the OP do nothing more than generate smoke but no light.

    G.
    Now there's the kind of low-key even-handed intellectually curious kind of post that encourages, nay, begs for a rational exploratory dialogue and intelligent discussion.
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    G, thought you might like this piece by Thomas Sowell.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/thoma...sions-n1513748

    History keeps repeating itself. Before WWI, our military was next to nothing.
    And again, before WWII, the same thing was done.....Dr. Sowell mentions we had
    the 16th largest military at the time, behind Portugal.

    Being an oldster and growing up through the Cold War and nuclear threats, I think the world is far more dangerous place today than then. Yet we are cutting our nuclear capability as rogue nations are increasing them. Any one think Pakistan should have them? much less Iran? Our navy is about the size it was before WWI. And after watching the nominee for head of the Defence Department during his Senate session, it would get much worse. That guy couldn't pass an interview at Walmart.

    On the other hand, the Department of Homeland Security is spending away,
    buying 1.4 billion rounds of hollowpoint ammo at least. Hollowpoint is not legal for our war efforts per the Hague Convention. At the height of the Irag war, our forces were using about 70 million rounds a year. They have also bought several thousand REAL assault rifles, 2000 tanks and several thousand bulletproof glass portable security checkpoints. Various other agencies such as Social Security have been buying a good bit of ammo also.....
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    Why would we cut something that is mandated by the Constitution? Only insane people and wanna-be eurosocialists support that.

    How about getting rid of the myriad of government functions not supported by any Article of the Constitution?

    Here's a few departments to cut right out:
    Labor
    HHS
    Energy
    Education
    Interior

    Let's take 25% of what we waste on all that shit above and give it to those who earned it: Veterans Affairs.

    Here's a few that need to be scaled WAY back in observance of the original meaning of the Commerce Clause and the 10th Amendment:
    Transportation
    Commerce
    Justice
    Treasury

    Disband Homeland Security and return the relevant agencies back to Justice, Transportation, and Treasury. Leave TSA out cold. Useless security kabuki theater.


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    The Post Office is in the Constitution too, but it sure looks like Congress wants to get rid of them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by red mares View Post
    We have all paid into Medicare & SS, and get MANY times over what was ever paid in.
    .
    . well, not all. At work we have a warehouseman of Hispanic decent.... he was proudly saying he is getting $8156 back on his taxes because he and his wife in late December were been made custody of his crackhead SIL's three children. The state (those of us are paying taxes) is providing $1200 a month in state aid to help raise the kids plus food stamps .... the three kids are also on full state aid medical



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    What we need to do is run it SMARTER. Given the credible threats we have now and in the near future are likely to be sporadic, pop-up situations like the one in Syria or Benghazi, we need:

    Drone technology.
    Superbly trained special-forces units like Seal Team Six.
    Space-based surveillance technology.
    Deeply embedded intelligence agents the world over.
    Heavy-lift capacity to put troops on the ground quickly, anywhere.

    What we do NOT need:

    Fleets of tanks appropriate to fighting WWII.
    Nuclear submarines appropriate to the Cold War.
    Bases in countries we subjugated in our grandparents' time (Germany, Okinawa)
    ANYTHING that exists only to prop up "jobs." Retool those factories to produce things we NEED: Rail cars, solar panels, electric car batteries, passenger planes.

    I also want to say that WE NEED TO TAKE CARE of our veterans for LIFE!!! It is beyond inexcusable that people who took those kinds of risks for us aren't even provided with a job opportunity when they get out, just cut loose. We need to do a LOT better.


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    What someone said above about sequestration. The military is about to undergo big cuts.

    I also think you are wrong about the percentage of the "pie" that the military gets. A little googling shows figures between 18% and 24%.
    Yes, I know how to spell. I'm using freespeling!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    You know that's a direct contradiction right? We've been hearing "social security is running out of money" for practically forever. It's solvent right now, with no fixes, until 2037. A few slight tweaks and it's good for 75 more years.


    That's not exactly true. Yes,they've been collecting the money......but, no, it's not there. It's been dumped into the general fund, so it's spent and then some. What ss has is a binch of ious from the government, which means the government is borrowing money every year to redeem their iou, and that means there's roughly 45 cents worth of interest for every dollar borrowed. So, what happens if at one of these bond auctions no one wants to buy our debt?


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    Quote Originally Posted by minnie View Post
    That's not exactly true. Yes,they've been collecting the money......but, no, it's not there. It's been dumped into the general fund, so it's spent and then some. What ss has is a binch of ious from the government, which means the government is borrowing money every year to redeem their iou, and that means there's roughly 45 cents worth of interest for every dollar borrowed. So, what happens if at one of these bond auctions no one wants to buy our debt?
    Shhhhh........

    Don't worry. We'll find out soon enough........


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    So when they decide to cut the military, where exactly will the hundreds of thousands of us go? I'm certain that the unemployment rates wouldn't get any prettier and neither would the economy if the military is cut. I heard it today straight from a higher ups mouth. Our mission(contracting in the military) is to save money any possible way we can, negotiate, haggle and plead. That money "saved" is "to be spent somewhere else" the government doesn't intend to stop spending ever for ANYTHING. It won't happen.


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