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    Default Best muzzle for an English Bull Terrier

    We have adopted a new bullie after our old one died in December. This one plays a lot rougher than the other one-we found that out the hard way after she scared the crap out of my mother's dog who is smaller (and us trying to break up the scuffle). Didn't hurt him thankfully but I don't want to give her a second chance to potentially grab and shake him. She has the typical Roman nose (although not as pronounced as some I've seen) and I expect a hard fit.

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    I'd like them to be able to play and if she gets rough not have his head in her mouth. I don't want one of the metal ones in case she bashes him with it. A soft one is preferred.
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    I can't help with choosing a muzzle, but do watch the dogs very carefully if you muzzle him. Muzzling can put dogs on the defense and make them more agressive instead of less.
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    Do use a basket type muzzle, whether plastcic, wire, or leather, which allows her to pant ( and drink) while wearing it.
    Dogs can become dangerously overheated when wearing the type of muzzle that does not allow them to open their mouth at all.

    That said, some dogs do learn to use their muzzles as a weapon.



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    @ the weapon part.. I've seen dogs use it as a bludgeon.. Hilarious, but obviously not what it was intended for.

    I have nothing to denote except your pup is beautiful.. I love EBTs so much.. Surprised she plays aggressively being one..
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    Quote Originally Posted by beowulf View Post
    @ the weapon part.. I've seen dogs use it as a bludgeon.. Hilarious, but obviously not what it was intended for.

    I have nothing to denote except your pup is beautiful.. I love EBTs so much.. Surprised she plays aggressively being one..
    She's typier than the one we had before (they are related actually-this one is our old dog's niece). She means well but while the other dog would run around and smack my mom's little dog with her foot and that's it, this one is bigger and stronger and prefers to jump on him and squish him, then grab at him. I think if she could get hold of him she'd pick him up and shake him. He's less than half her size (25 pound Havanese) and loves to play until she turns it up a notch. Then he tries to run away and she's on him. She's way rougher, not aggressive that we can tell, but she grew up with other bullies and doesn't get the concept of gentle. I don't mind if she runs him over and he's fast enough to mostly keep out of her way when they are chasing each other, but she's grabby and I'm afraid if she got hold of him it would be carnage. I also don't want her to never be able to socialize with him given they live around the corner, so the muzzle seems like a good compromise.

    I didn't even think that they made cage ones out of soft material........duh. Can you tell I've never had to deal with this?
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    Beowolf-give me a few minutes and I'll put some more photos in the Facebook album and post the link.

    ETA-a few bullie photos

    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...1&l=84c76e1057
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    Quote Originally Posted by Houndhill View Post
    Do use a basket type muzzle, whether plastcic, wire, or leather, which allows her to pant ( and drink) while wearing it.
    Dogs can become dangerously overheated when wearing the type of muzzle that does not allow them to open their mouth at all.

    That said, some dogs do learn to use their muzzles as a weapon.
    I've seen that happen with the slim fitting nylon ones-not pretty. Thanks for the reminder.
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    Thanks-that looks like it's shaped just for them. I'll check it out. Hoping for a soft one that fits that head shape.
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    Default Surprised your mother doesn't mind

    Quote Originally Posted by Equine Studies View Post
    I think if she could get hold of him she'd pick him up and shake him. He's less than half her size (25 pound Havanese) and loves to play until she turns it up a notch. Then he tries to run away and she's on him...I don't mind if she runs him over and he's fast enough to mostly keep out of her way when they are chasing each other, but she's grabby and I'm afraid if she got hold of him it would be carnage.
    Um I mind and if the Hav was yours and the BT belonged to some guy at the dog park, I bet you would mind.

    If your pup needs a muzzle to prevent grabbing, shaking, and "carnage" it isn't appropriate play muzzle or not.

    Looking like she wants to grab and shake is not play but prey. Many BTs don't play will with others due to their rough style. Please protect the little one's safety and the big one's reputation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bicoastal View Post
    Um I mind and if the Hav was yours and the BT belonged to some guy at the dog park, I bet you would mind.

    If your pup needs a muzzle to prevent grabbing, shaking, and "carnage" it isn't appropriate play muzzle or not.

    Looking like she wants to grab and shake is not play but prey. Many BTs don't play will with others due to their rough style. Please protect the little one's safety and the big one's reputation.
    Of course I would mind! We're going to try again to see if it'll work, without the fear of her grabbing him. He's my mom's dog and she wants to try as much as I do to see if she's just playing a bit rough or is just too aggressive and sees him as something to catch and shake because he's smaller. We'd like him to be able to stay at our house and our dog to stay at hers when either one of us is away.

    The muzzle should prevent bite injuries which are the main concern, since they are a breed known to grab and shake. With the muzzle if it goes bad then at least we won't have bite wounds to deal with. I guess that's what I meant by I don't mind if she runs him over is I'd rather take the chance he gets run into and body checked or jumped on once or twice while we are seeing if they can play together than the chance he gets picked up and shaken (not that being jumped on is good, but it's better than getting bitten). If she can't play nicely enough with him and bashes him around it's not an option. He's agile enough he can stay out of her way, and turns and chases her and she runs away, so I don't think she's being aggressive and trying to hurt him but she can ramp it up and bring it on when she really gets going. I agree -the shaking is a predatory behaviour (doesn't matter so much with a ball but with another live critter it sure does) so if she did get hold of him it wouldn't be good. In a nutshell she's new and I don't want to take the chance he'll get hurt until we know for sure either way. She is used to rough bullie play being one of many at the breeders and anyone who knows them knows they don't "leave" or "drop" well.

    I'm glad you posted that-the original post made it seem like I wasn't concerned for his safety. Hope that clarifies what I meant.
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