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View Poll Results: How do you handle the issue of registration papers when shopping for a new horse?

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  • I ask up front if the seller will immediately the papers to me when the sale occurs.

    27 36.00%
  • I wait to verify the status of papers until it appears a sales transaction will take place.

    8 10.67%
  • I make sure the sales contract specifies how transfer of registration papers will be handled.

    20 26.67%
  • I don’t mention the papers, as I assume they will be transferred to me along with the horse.

    10 13.33%
  • I don’t care about registration papers – doesn’t matter to me if the horse comes with papers or not.

    10 13.33%
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  1. #21
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    I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but I worked for an unscrupulous breeder back when I was in college, and, believe me, if you want the animal for breeding, or if you are buying a youngster as a prospect based on its bloodlines, registration papers are insufficient. Only DNA will definitively prove whether the horse is the horse that the seller says that it is.

    Nothing was ever admitted to me, but when a breeder owns the stallion and mares, "miracles" can happen such as barren mares giving birth and foals being born after 2 months gestation. And, of course, there is nothing easier to swap papers on than a bay horse with no markings. IJS.
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  2. #22
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    I got the papers when I handed over the check.

    As an aside, I wanted a certain kind of horse (polish arabian) so the lineage is important to know. I don't need papers for breeding/showing now, more for background. I may or may not do half arab stuff in the future. I do know the horses' family tree and contacted the breeder. Its a good insurance policy to have the paperwork. I needed to submit AHA document when one of my horses had a mortality claim. it also may strengthen value for sale/insurance.



  3. #23
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    I'll add a twist if that's okay :
    what if the seller only has a COPY of the registration papers. Shows age, description, registration number, etc. Everything matches and there is no question on ownership. The papers just did not get passed down from original owner.
    Would you negotiate on price?
    How much? Say the asking price is $10,000 and it's a mare.
    Would you pass on the horse?
    My answer to that: mare has no value for me. I am a breeder. I need papers in order to have registrable foals of a respectable value. And for all of you who are shopping for expensive wb mares to ride... be sure to get the papers for her and have them in order. Because the day your 5 figures mare gets seriously injuried, this WILL be the difference in HER life. She will likely be able to have a second, comfortable career as a broodmare - at a reputable breeder's farm - if she has papers sticked to her butt. And she will still worth something money wise, so you won't loss all your investment. The unregistered mares, or the paperless ones, won't get this chance usually and their owners won't be as lucky neither.


    I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but I worked for an unscrupulous breeder back when I was in college, and, believe me, if you want the animal for breeding, or if you are buying a youngster as a prospect based on its bloodlines, registration papers are insufficient. Only DNA will definitively prove whether the horse is the horse that the seller says that it is.

    This is sad to hear.

    If I can be of any comfort, nowadays, the DNA is mandatory for registration for all of the most respectable registries. No DNA match, no papers issued. For some registries it is still an option, but it is the buyer's choice to choose to not buy horses registered by these registries if they have any worries about the honesty of the seller.
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  4. #24
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    if the horse is advertised with papers, I want them when the sale is made. If the horse doesn't come with papers, that's not a deal-breaker for me. I just want them if they have them, in case I ever need to sell the horse and the new owner wants papers.



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