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  1. #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillyHorse View Post
    That's where you're wrong. Every time an insurance company has to pay out a catastrophic claim, you'd better believe the rest of us pay higher premiums. It's called "spreading the risk."
    So, by this logic, let's outlaw all of the following RISKY BEHAVIORS:

    Driving cars, trucks, motorcycles. Vespa scooters, hey, RAZOR scooters even. Skiing, snowboarding, ice skating, rollerblading. Riding horses. Riding all but stationary bicycles in a gym. And maybe that should be medically monitored, eh? Playing soccer, football, baseball, basketball, any other ball you can name. Walking on city streets and country roads. Taking baths or showers in any unpadded stall or tub. Stairs. Owning cats and dogs, turtles & snakes. How 'bout rats & gerbils? Cooking. Cutting up food with knives. Drinking anything but filtered water. Hunting, fishing, hell, I know someone who got hurt BIRD watching! Not to mention most forms of drug use and ALL forms of SEX! Now that would just about make the world "safe" for insurance companies, wouldn't it?

    Like I said up-thread, you really want your life choices determined by ACTUARIES? What the fruit's the point of living AT ALL if everything has to be "child-proofed" and santized for supposedly autonomous adults? Are you really willing to surrender your free will for "lower premiums?"

    There are days one could think seriously about T. Koscynski's cabin . . .


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    Here in NZ, it was one of our GP riders who works in a hospital emergency department that started wearing a helmet instead of a top hat. She debuted it here and then continued in Australia - where they had to check the rules to make sure that it was legal to ride in a helmet rather than a top hat ?

    Personally, I doubt that I am ever going to ride at GP/FEI - however, I fully support the FEI rule (and various nations as well) of wearing a helmet.

    But then, NZ runs a "no fault" Accident Compensation scheme - which we all contribute to through vehicle registration(s) and taxes - so I am just protecting my insurance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
    Like I said up-thread, you really want your life choices determined by ACTUARIES? What the fruit's the point of living AT ALL if everything has to be "child-proofed" and santized for supposedly autonomous adults? Are you really willing to surrender your free will for "lower premiums?"
    Acutally, I believe what we are talking about is that the USEF/USDF is exercising THEIR free will, possibly for insurance premiums.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
    So, by this logic, let's outlaw all of the following RISKY BEHAVIORS:

    Driving cars, trucks, motorcycles. Vespa scooters, hey, RAZOR scooters even. Skiing, snowboarding, ice skating, rollerblading. Riding horses. Riding all but stationary bicycles in a gym. And maybe that should be medically monitored, eh? Playing soccer, football, baseball, basketball, any other ball you can name. Walking on city streets and country roads. Taking baths or showers in any unpadded stall or tub. Stairs. Owning cats and dogs, turtles & snakes. How 'bout rats & gerbils? Cooking. Cutting up food with knives. Drinking anything but filtered water. Hunting, fishing, hell, I know someone who got hurt BIRD watching! Not to mention most forms of drug use and ALL forms of SEX! Now that would just about make the world "safe" for insurance companies, wouldn't it?

    Like I said up-thread, you really want your life choices determined by ACTUARIES? What the fruit's the point of living AT ALL if everything has to be "child-proofed" and santized for supposedly autonomous adults? Are you really willing to surrender your free will for "lower premiums?"

    There are days one could think seriously about T. Koscynski's cabin . . .

    Okay, this is a bit extreme--from helmet rules at shows to this.

    Not every safety precaution/regulation set by the gov't or a private entity is a terrible, crazy encroachment on freedom. Some of it is reasonable. For instance, it is good that cars/food/etc have some regulation so we're riding in cars made to be safer, and eating food that isn't crawling with e. coli etc.

    It's a good thing that people can't just choose to drive tractors and ATV's on the highway....you have to admit that some rules/laws that limit choice do make sense!

    I don't believe its a slippery slope from a helmet rule at a show to a no gerbil/cat/butter knife world!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillyHorse View Post
    That's where you're wrong. Every time an insurance company has to pay out a catastrophic claim, you'd better believe the rest of us pay higher premiums. It's called "spreading the risk."
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
    So, by this logic, let's outlaw all of the following RISKY BEHAVIORS...
    You might want to consider taking a course in basic logic.
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    If the hunter derby princesses can get used to it, so can everyone else.
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    While everyone is so focussed on the HELMET rule (which only effects FEI riders this year. Everyone had to suck it up last year...) here are some more rules.

    OH THE HUMANITY, the HUMANITY!

    GR821 Opportunity Classes -- membership and amateur status no longer required.
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    DR120.5 Dress --
    5. Riders in classes and tests at all levels in Level 1 Competitions, and riders in
    Opportunity classes in Level 2 and Level 3 Competitions, may compete wearing
    breeches and shirts of any color as permitted in DR120.8. Jackets or vests of
    any type are allowed but not required and neckwear may be worn only if the
    rider chooses to compete in a riding jacket.

    DR120 Dress:
    7. In locations with high average heat and humidity on the date of a
    competition, management can publish in their prize list that jackets will be
    waived for the duration of the competition. Alternatively, management can
    announce prior to or during a competition that competitors can show without
    jackets when In extreme heat and/or humidity is forecast


    DR121 Saddlery and Equipment.:
    7. ... Fly hoods (ear covers) will only be are permitted for competitions held outdoors in order to protect horses from insects. The fly hoods should be discreet and should not cover the horse’s eyes. After completion of the test, the rider or his representative is responsible for removing the fly hood to present to the designated ring steward for inspection,

    We can now offer TRAINING level Freestyle classes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
    Usef doesnt care if the breed shows have helmets either. The Scottsdale is running right now with thousands of helmetless riders.


    I think this was an agenda of certain riders and low level ones at that.

    I ride in a helmet but I dont feel like it should be required at all.

    Low level riders??!! Oh my gosh. Those damn low level riders and their protect-the-brain agenda. Are they the ones behind this nefarious rule?? Who are they, pray tell, and what level do you ride such that you can sneer down your lofty nose at the rest of us scum sucking, low level riders? Oh, and something smells rather swampy.
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    We have no intentions of tarring and feathering anyone: this is now a thread about dipping Ryan Reynolds in chocolate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coreene View Post
    If the hunter derby princesses can get used to it, so can everyone else.
    AMEN! No one complains about it at hunter shows. I'm sure they did at first but now it is just the way it is. Heck, most people walk around with their helmet on all day because once they get their "hunter hair" done, they don't want to take their helmet off and have to re-do it.
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    I'll weigh in If I were running a show I would be glad helmets were required. I wear a helmet and if I made it to FEI levels I would still wear one and Im really glad I wont be spending $500 on a hat. I also always wear a helmet because I want to set an example for the kids around me. I love to see ULRs in helmets. It makes wearing a helmet cool. With all that said I also like freedom of choice. Ultimately it is a private enterprise and they can make the rules that work for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
    Want to know how far it goes? I was BALLISTIC this morning before I even got out of bed! Big report on NPR:

    Seems there's an obscure provision in the new health insurance law that says employers can provide "incentives" to their employees to "adopt healthier behaviors." This is already being interpreted by companies to mean, "dump the flab or we dump YOU!" Mandatory, off-the-clock attendance at "Wellness Seminars," gym memberships, food monitoring, all kinds of school-nurse BS is suddenly the paternalistic province of large companies, on YOUR time and on YOUR nickel, in the name of "saving on health-care costs." Major monetary penalties for non-participation, stigmatization in the corporate culture, and all of it functionally eliminates the whole point of supposedly not discriminating against pre-existing conditions. Not to mention the STRESS of having to be "company person" 24/7 or "you're in trouble." Corporate feudalism, much? Guess they ought to change "employee" to "retainer." As in, THEY OWN YOU.

    Apparently most of their employees are just ducky with this!

    Personally, I'm mighty glad I'm self-employed . . . I cannot IMAGINE living in a world where your employer, not you, decides how you live your private life. E. Gads!!!
    I've always believed that if tyranny comes here it will not come from the Right. We know them too well. It will come from the Left. It will be for our own good. The restraints will be well padded and in pleasing pastel shades.

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    Red face jmho!

    Lurker here.....I can NOT believe ya'll are having this discussion in 2013 and that helmets are anything but normal for you at this point! Welcome to the modern age!
    Sadly this just re-inforces the image of the Dressage Queen/Diva who cares more about her looks than her brain. It's ok for your horse to wear a fly hood but you don't wanna wear a helmet? Huh? I mean, which looks dumber?!! Yup, it's all about the looks and imitating the higher levels. C'mon ya'll ....get....over...it!! Buck up!!
    Go to the "equestrians with disabilities" board and read about the regret of horsemen with head injuries. You are not immune. Stop blaming others. Do it for yourself, your families & loved ones, your futures.
    EVERY concussion is brain damage. Even with a helmet. It's cumulative over your lifetimes.
    Going back into my cave now!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
    Seems there's an obscure provision in the new health insurance law that says employers can provide "incentives" to their employees to "adopt healthier behaviors." This is already being interpreted by companies to mean, "dump the flab or we dump YOU!" <snipped>
    Look what is already happening in NYC with the ban on sugary drinks in order to help curb obesity.
    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/here-he-goes-again-bloomberg-set-to-ban-all-sugary-drinks-over-16-ounces/



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    Quote Originally Posted by Guilherme View Post
    I've always believed that if tyranny comes here it will not come from the Right. We know them too well. It will come from the Left. It will be for our own good. The restraints will be well padded and in pleasing pastel shades.

    G.
    Well, yeah. The scariest people in history have been acting for the people's own good. (And FTR, that particular requirement of the health care bill is fascism, not socialism. Fascists direct the owners of the means of production while still permitting "private" ownership. It's still government coercion, just with the layer of "allowing" private entities to pretend they are still private.)

    Which isn't, btw, the same thing as USEF deciding on their own that the risk of losing their insurance and fielding lawsuits is higher than losing a few riders who don't want to wear helmets more than they want to show.



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    Many boarding barns now have rules requiring helmets be worn when mounted. Seems like you have several options:
    1) Follow the rules as stated
    2) Board/ride at another location
    3) Complain to the management that they are infringing on your right to make a personal choice.

    I don't think option 3 will get you very far.

    If this rule change was driven by anyone, I would guess it would be from show management/TD's.

    Thanks to mjhco for the additional rule changes. I am hoping that "jackets are optional" will be expanded to higher level shows. Or that they allow self waiving due to heat tolerance. And while I have spent a lot of money on jackets, I will happily not wear them


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    I believe Courtney King-Dye's videos have far more reach, and impact way more people, than the attempt to encroach people's rights to exercise their freedom.

    It is the same as health improvement. My company maintains a full gym with full time trainers, provides classes, organize weight programs, cycling, rowing, jogging, basketball, and all sort of things. They even have a writer's group. As a result, many employees lose weight, the whole company is a happier atmosphere, and the company itself saves on health care they provide for the employees.

    However, it is not any law maker's business, or any governments, to dictate whether my company should provide those programs.


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    Oh woe is us and our first world problems. The FEI, USEF, USDF etc make all kinds of rules, if we want to play in their sandbox, we follow them. If you want to be a helmet-less moron at home then, by all means, do so- but when you or your family comes crying because you a vegetable or dead, don't be surprised when the rest of us point the I told you so finger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Eboshi View Post
    So, by this logic, let's outlaw all of the following RISKY BEHAVIORS:

    Driving cars, trucks, motorcycles. Vespa scooters
    Most states recognize that these actions can result in significant damage if an accident happens, so they require INSURANCE in order to register a vehicle and operate it. Not so different from the role a helmet plays, eh?

    The rest of your post is ridiculous. But you know that.



    you really want your life choices determined by ACTUARIES?
    No, but neither do I want to pay for someone else's needlessly reckless behavior.
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    I wonder if some of you are aware of the disservice you've done to your own pro-helmet agenda? Insults, exaggerations, and willful illogic are generally not the best way to persuade people to agree with you. There have been several nicely nuanced and well thought out posts here, raising important questions and distinctions that deserve to be considered. Unfortunately they've been ignored or countered with sheer rudeness.

    For what it's worth, I am very much in favour of requiring helmets at all levels while warming up, and during classes at 4th level and below. I simply don't see the necessity of requiring them in FEI tests, and no one had yet given me a valid reason why they should be. I'd be more than happy to consider the issue in a different light, if only one was reasonably presented to me..........
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