Last night over a glass of wine we were discussing the Pope's resignation. I wondered what it would be like to go to bed one night infallible and wake up the next morning fallible as the rest of us. And what happens before the next pope is elected? Is there a gap in infallibility? My DH did a little research and said that the doctrine of infallibility only dates back to the late 1800s. Who knew?
There are so many issues facing the Church now. The world has truly changed, and the Catholic Church has only become more conservative. Diclosure: I belong to a rite of the Catholic Church wherein celibacy is a choice and married men are allowed to become priests. The Latin rite has fought this for years, but it is a tradition that still holds. I grew up thinking nothing of playing games with the priest's kids at church functions. Our current parish priest's granddaughter waves to him while he's giving the sermon. Family duties in no way hamper his ability to be a wonderful priest and man of God, and enhances his knowledge of family dynamics.
I hope and pray that the next pope is able to recognize the benefit of permitting such a choice to the Church and all of its members. Oh, and that the role of women be reconsidered and equalized, too. (Sorry. Had to get that in!)
They don't call me frugal for nothing.
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The poor guy looks like he can hardly get through his masses. He has, it seems, had a pacemaker installed.
I'm not Catholic, but I am married to one, and I realize that to a lot of people their faith is very dear to them and by criticising the Pope, one is criticising the poster on this thread and that is hurtful to them.
We have been through challenging times and changing times, and if the Church wants its members to return, it will have to change a little, too.
I think a very conservative new Pope will not achieve that end, despite the masses of advertising.
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Lol, Bluey, you just brought me back to my childhood. When I was stil in Catholic school, my very funny and somewhat subversive father taught me that song as well as: "Staaaay with God, staaaaay with God! Rock 'em, sock 'em, Jesus knock 'em! Staaay with God, staaaay with God! The Holy Ghost, the Apostles too, the Catholic church is the church for yoooouuuuu!"
Not really, because other popes have been there and delegated until the end.
There may be more going on here than we will ever know.
It really is none of our business, internal problems and policy making is just that, in any church or any other organization out there.
Only when there are abuses or outright law breaking involved the rest of us get to demand explanations.
Ah, the catholic church has great influence internationally.
Just look at all the nations that are predominately catholic (like South of The US, down to Terra de Fuego...) and there are missionaries and priests in nearly every country of the globe....you might say, they are the worlds largest spy - I mean information network!
Also, due to past traditions, the church is rich. The Vatican is still showered with expensive gifts....
Don't mistake that for a purely religious/spiritual issue!
It's big time politics alright.
Originally Posted by Mozart
Personally, I think the moderate use of shock collars in training humans should be allowed.
Pony Fixer - how would you describe yourself, in context of this thread?
I'm not sure I understand your question. I think the Catholic Church is corrupt, broken, and .... well I could go on and on. I went to Catholic school for 12 years, was raised Catholic but in a Protestant household (long story).
I'm an atheist if that matters/is what you mean. I am tolerant of religious beliefs--all kinds in fact. I am less tolerant with the institutions related to the beliefs.
From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.
I think people who hope the Catholic Church is going to somehow stop being the Catholic Church because a Jesuit called Francis is the Pope are confused. There is no way someone who doesn't have deep and abiding respect for Church doctrine gets the post. That, I assume, means women stay laypersons, homosexuality stays a sin and every sperm is still sacred.
However, it is possible and would be awesome if the Church could be associated with a return to real Christlike values and actions from stem to stern. Both Catholic and Protestant priorities have been completely out of whack. Some of that may be media driven, but the party line should have always been "While that is part of our faith, it's hardly the most important part. Here's what is -" (Grace, charity, love...) The focus desperately needs to be redirected inward, to "What can I do to better emulate the Jesus?" which would greatly improve the image of the Church for Christians and non-Christians alike.
I think that's what Pope Francis is getting at with the foot-washing delinquents rather than priests and I think that's wonderful. I wonder if it's an act a bit lost on people not brought up, hmm biblically, as I was.
Anyway, this all dovetails nicely with the DVD release of the Borgias
Not a Catholic, but Pope Francis is a much-needed breath of fresh air after the numerous scandals that have and will continue to plague the Church.
His humility is inspiring and welcomed, and the simple wooden cross he wears around his neck says it all. However, it's scary to think what could happen with him riding around in that open Jeep rather than the Pope-Mobile. There's a lot of crazy people out there.
To me, the retirement of Pope Benedict XVI was a much needed precedent. Too many of them have lingered on in their latter years, becoming little more than figureheads when urgent policy decisions needed to be made.
I wish him well.
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