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    Default Are contact sports barbaric?

    There have been moments in different types of games where I do appreciate the talent and athleticism of the players. But all and all, I tend to see contact sports as something of a primitive facet of humanity, that I think tends to reflect a portion of human nature that I'm not sure is something that moves us forward as a species.


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    They may be barbaric but they sure are fun. I played rugby for a bit on a club in college and the tackles and hits make you feel alive.


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    I'm more concerned with people who worry about defining "barbarity" and "moving forward as a species", myself....


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    that I think tends to reflect a portion of human nature that I'm not sure is something that moves us forward as a species.
    shouldn't we acknowledge what we are? we are a very violent type of ape. Engaging in ritualized contact sports is far better than engaging in actual warfare, and it satisfies many needs we have so we don't have to go out and engage in deadly warfare. Denying our biology and our biological needs is foolish; far better to admit we have them and look for ways to satisfy them.

    That said, I think WATCHING contact sports is boring and pointless, and doesn't satisfy needs- it gets the watchers worked up with no needs satisfied, provokes the blood lust without satisfying it. Think of soccer game riots in the stands. People should DO the sports, not watch them.


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    Every time I watch a UFC fight, I feel like I am almost watching soft core porn....they spend a lot of time on the ground with one guy on top the other. Yesterday, one fight had one guy on the other guy's back for a bit - like someone wanted a piggy back ride.

    I only watch when at work, because majority rules as far as programming goes. They do not always appreciate my comments, but I don't care.



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    I've always called them gladiator sports and I don't watch them, nor did I ever feel the slightest desire to play any of them. So, yes, I guess you could say that I think that they are barbaric. Wendy has a good point about them satisfying a biological need, that is definitely worth considering and explains a lot. It's just that there seems to be plenty of violence out there in spite of contact sports and, maybe, we need to consider the fact that we are also thinking apes and should be able to come to a greater understanding of our violent nature and the need to control it instead of indulging it.
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    We just love to shame poor people...when in reality, we are all just peasants.


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    Quote Originally Posted by danceronice View Post
    I'm more concerned with people who worry about defining "barbarity" and "moving forward as a species", myself....
    Perhaps expressing the details of that concern might be helpful towards providing a better understanding on various points of view.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Louise View Post
    I've always called them gladiator sports and I don't watch them, nor did I ever feel the slightest desire to play any of them. So, yes, I guess you could say that I think that they are barbaric. Wendy has a good point about them satisfying a biological need, that is definitely worth considering and explains a lot. It's just that there seems to be plenty of violence out there in spite of contact sports and, maybe, we need to consider the fact that we are also thinking apes and should be able to come to a greater understanding of our violent nature and the need to control it instead of indulging it.
    I never had any desire to play any of them either, hence it confuses me to a degree.

    I think you stated this very well:
    "maybe, we need to consider the fact that we are also thinking apes and should be able to come to a greater understanding of our violent nature and the need to control it instead of indulging it."



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    I don't really think of, say, football as barbaric, because despite all the tackling involved, there are rules in place to help protect players from serious injury.

    But something like boxing, where the entire point of the sport is to beat the $hit out of the other person? Yeah, I think that probably qualifies.
    Everyone is entitled to my opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alterhorse View Post
    Perhaps expressing the details of that concern might be helpful towards providing a better understanding on various points of view.
    It would be really hard to do that without Godwining the thread. Suffice to say the MOST positive experience I have with people who like to define other people's activities as barbaric and who like to talk about the progress of a species as something that should be encouraged or directed are with elitist academic types who like to condescend to blue-collar people they consider beneath them. The less-positive examples would, again, by necessity Godwin the thread. It is best not to attempt to reconstruct human nature.

    And in species terms, wendy has a point, we're a violent, tribal great ape (ALL great apes are violent with each other to a greater or lesser degree, humans and chimps more than the others). People like to spectate, not just play, because they like picking a side and 'belonging' with a group. Humans like to segregate themselves into groups and will ALWAYS do it, sports give them something approximating a fight but generally without an actual shooting war. (Is it worth as much as most full-time professional athletes are paid? Probably not, but that's another thread.)


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    No. Our society's has just gotten too soft. Everything is "scary" or "rough" or "not nice" or "barbaric". We need to step back and let people be more free.


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    Well, as a neuroscientist I cringe at the helmet-to-helmet hits, especially in light of the information coming out on chronic traumatic encephalopathy found post-mortem in former pro football players (Junior Seau, etc.). I wish instead of just fining players for those hits, they would eject them from the game. I think that is the only way to stop these types of hits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyoteco View Post
    No. Our society's has just gotten too soft. Everything is "scary" or "rough" or "not nice" or "barbaric". We need to step back and let people be more free.
    I think about how rapidly technology is advancing.

    It must stand to reason that at some point in the future, if we continue to progress technologically, that a great deal of power may become available to those individuals who have the ability to utilize those future technologies.

    I for one, would prefer that these future individuals have a higher sense of self worth that does not require any component of aggression to facilitate any sense of self validity.



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    barbaric...hum dressage has its origins traceable back to train horses to combat


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    Quote Originally Posted by alterhorse View Post
    I for one, would prefer that these future individuals have a higher sense of self worth that does not require any component of aggression to facilitate any sense of self validity.
    Humans don't do non-aggression. That's why they're humans not a low-level prey-species African-savanna primate.


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    No one is forcing anyone to play. If people want to go running into into each other or getting punched in the face repeatedly, more power to them. Just like people saying 'riding is easy, you just sit there', there's a LOT of strategy, talent, and training involved. Not something I'm interested in watching or participating in, but I certainly don't consider it barbaric or stupid.


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    Quote Originally Posted by clanter View Post
    barbaric...hum dressage has its origins traceable back to train horses to combat
    Humans have origins traceable back to the primordial ooze....

    Of course life advances upon that which exists. A question about contact sports, could be, just what they contribute to the advancement of?



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    Quote Originally Posted by danceronice View Post
    Humans don't do non-aggression. That's why they're humans not a low-level prey-species African-savanna primate.
    nor do monkeys...

    "A group of wild monkeys has gone on a rampage in a village in eastern Indonesia, entering houses and attacking residents. Seven people were injured, including one who is in a critical condition"
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...lage-indonesia


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    Quote Originally Posted by danceronice View Post
    Humans don't do non-aggression. That's why they're humans not a low-level prey-species African-savanna primate.
    Yet multiple civilizations have been founded with principles of non aggression at their cores.



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    I don't know but fighting is the best part of hockey...
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