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    Default Silver dapple...Chestnut? Dutch Harness stallion

    This is an approved DHH stallion listed as silver dapple AND chestnut...which is the mistake? Ditisem http://cms.kwpn.nl/mediafile/0004/65...pring_2011.pdf



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    And Wentworth Ebony is wonderful. Approved for DHH breeding but is a Hackney Horse bred in GBR. lovely PatO



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    Quote Originally Posted by columbus View Post
    This is an approved DHH stallion listed as silver dapple AND chestnut...which is the mistake? Ditisem http://cms.kwpn.nl/mediafile/0004/65...pring_2011.pdf
    Chestnuts can carry the silver dapple gene and pass it on, but it is not expressed in their own coat. For those that don't know, the silver dapple gene only affects black based coat colors.

    I suppose it;s possible he could be a silver bay...but I don't see the characteristic silver markings on the legs. Someone with more expertise with the silver dapple gene needs to chime in. But no, it is impossible for a horse to be a silver dapple chestnut.
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    His "chestnut socks" are not uncommon in chestnuts, so that lends to him being chestnut.

    Are there any better pictures of him without such glaring light? Preferably that shows his mane as well? I could buy that he's silver bay as well, but want to see better pictures.
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    I think he is silver bay
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    I'm going to disagree with JB, I'm fairly certain he's chestnut. Those lower legs are CLASSIC liver chestnut.

    IMO when silver does something similar to the legs of black based horses, it looks completely different.

    ETA: There are also no black ear tips, no dark points on the hocks, and the taill mix of colors is very common in chestnuts.
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    I think something was probably lost in the translation.... they were trying to say that he is a chestnut with a light tail and mane.

    Just my opinion...
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    Could be RMT - I've seen some black-bases silvers that had really red lower legs, but you might be right, these might be TOO red. I really wish we could see his mane fully, and his tail at rest instead of streaming where a lot of color is hidden.
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    Heres some more pictures of him JB

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    This looks like a chestnut with a silver mane and tail, at least to me. I've owned 2 Morgans that were liver chestnut with definite silver manes and tails, I've also seen a few in the Saddlebred arena.



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    I'm going to agree chestnut. With the possibility of the translation mix meaning silver tail. But definitely chestnut.

    On a different note, I immediately fell in love with the last horse (big black guy with the Roman nose...I can't remember his name now. I am a sucker for big bones and Roman noses. Don't ask why because I don't know!)
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    Definitely agree with chestnut at this point.

    But, he might well be a Silver carrier - I think I do see striping on that LF hoof, which can be how Silver "shows" on red-based colors.
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    Any chestnut can have striping on their hooves. Mine does and she's just a plain old chestnut! Anyway so is this horse. I can't read it so I also think they are just describing his flaxen tail but certainly something to ask about if you wanted to breed to him (if h e had been tested for the silver dapple gene or if they were just describing his color)
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    Now that I've seen his stallion evaluation, they are in fact calling him a "silver apple" chestnut (no "d"). Not sure what that means in terms of color designation.... And the puzzle continues...
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    Yes, I know normal chestnuts can have striping on their feet, but that can also be a sign of silver on a red-based horse
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    Is "silver apple" a literal translation? Can that be translated into something more true to the language or intent?
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