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  1. #21
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    That's what I figured, thanks Ghazzu.
    Click here before you buy.



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    Will be anxious to hear how she does!



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    FWIW my pony is not supposed to have banamine, ever, again. I hope I never have to weigh the issues against each other and make a choice.
    "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
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  4. #24
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    Let us know how she does, ok? I am worried for your pony!
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    "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
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  5. #25
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    I want to begin by again thanking everyone for all of their input. My daughter, Zarina (her pony), and I really appreciate it.

    Zarina was scoped again today. I could not be there however my amazing mother did go to observe and support Zarina. The Gastro Specialist went in farther this time into the small intestine. My mother was amazed how angry the tissue looked. After investigating further they suspect Crohn's disease. The specialist also did a biopsy of the duedeum as well as the ileum. I apologize if I have misspelled them, it has been a while since I was in A and P and the digestive system is not my specialty. I do however remember there function! We will not know definitively until the results come back. We are treating her as we did prior minus the banamine and adding 10cc of Dex 1x a day.
    I hope we can get this under control and Zarina can live a comfortable life.



  6. #26
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    Never heard of Crohns in an equine. So if that's it, what's the treatment?
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    My mother has Crohns. Anything with FOS or other rapidly fermentable fiber causes serious gas and pain.

    Please. Test the hay for WSC at Equi-analytical, or start soaking for at least an hour ASAP.


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    I would consider Katys advice...

    When I was dealing with colitis, my vet recommended Equine Senior and when I shook my head noooooo she started laughing and said OMG.. Really, not the best idea is it?!!! No, it wasnt. My point being, you will have to begin thinking on your own a bit, because vets cannot possibly keep up with all the current research on nutrition and sometimes the details are just common sense but they matter.. Sometimes, a lot.

    My colt came through his colitis in record time, with flying colors. Maybe I was just lucky but I dont count on luck.
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    on the bizarre side, but...
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-therapy-mucus

    Theory is that intestinal parasites stimulate the immune system in the gut. My Mom just said ewww...... She'll continue to suffer thankyouverymuch.
    Perhaps we need to rethink keeping horses completely free of parasites.

    I just did a quick search on treatment of equine Crohn's and the standard recommendation is to feed rich, nutrient dense feeds to overcome the loss of condition from the chronic diarrhea.
    My reaction: NNNNNOOOOOOOOO!
    You want sloowwwwly fermentable feeds, high in pectin. Same diet as for horses with IR.

    I have been reading for years about carbohydrates in equine diets, and I think vet science has a ho lot to learn about IBS in horses if they are recommending high powered feed for this condition.


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    Oh, and Mom considered the side effects of steriods worse than the disease. This can be managed by proper diet.



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    Katy, I would think they are overfocusing on keeping the horses body score up. I think sometimes you have to focus on curing, or putting the issue into remission and then figuring out what it can tolerate and then hopefully thrive on.
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    Oh my neighbor, who has Celiacs and whose gut was destroyed did the parasites. Worked wonders. Ewwwwww! I passed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EqTrainer View Post
    Katy, I would think they are overfocusing on keeping the horses body score up. I think sometimes you have to focus on curing, or putting the issue into remission and then figuring out what it can tolerate and then hopefully thrive on.
    Total agreement here. Far too often, medical practice is a long drawn out expensive attention to symptoms, instead of addressing the CAUSE at the onset.
    I have seen first hand how both MD's and vets only know enough about nutrition to be dangerous.


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    Thank you Eqtrainer and Katy!
    I think the vet and both of you are right about getting the inflammation under control and getting this little girl hopefully into remission. I do agree the Dex can do a lot of harm if she is on it for a long period of time. I hope it is only temporary. Along with the Dex her diet needs to change. I agree the vets knowledge about nutrition is definitely lacking. I am going to research the feeds high in pectin and see what else she will be able to tolerate and thrive on.



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    I have to say I find the parasites very interesting!



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