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    You beat me to it...the early bird catches the worm. Hey Fairfax...let's hear about how safe and respected the Canadian horse meat supply is now.

    "A Star investigation has found that Canada’s food inspection system has serious flaws when dealing with the steady stream of racehorses sent to slaughter every year. During his life, Backstreet Bully, like many competitive horses, was given powerful performance-enhancing drugs that are potentially deadly in meat eaten by humans."
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    Maybe we need to put the content of the article in a post, so Fairfax can't claim he couldn't read it because of dial-up:



    Backstreet Bully was unloaded from a trailer after dawn and led by his halter into an abattoir in rural Quebec. Once owned and raced by Magna’s Frank Stronach, the chestnut thoroughbred was to be slaughtered then packaged for human food.


    That same January morning earlier this year, frantic phone calls from the Stronach group tried to save Backstreet Bully’s life — and protect the public from eating toxic meat.


    A Star investigation has found that Canada’s food inspection system has serious flaws when dealing with the steady stream of racehorses sent to slaughter every year. During his life, Backstreet Bully, like many competitive horses, was given powerful performance-enhancing drugs that are potentially deadly in meat eaten by humans.


    Two of these, nitrofurazone and one nicknamed “bute” (phenylbutazone), had been administered to Backstreet Bully dozens of times but the shoddy paperwork and poor oversight allowed by Canada’s food watchdog cleared him for human consumption in a market that includes Quebec, Europe and some Toronto restaurants.


    “You can’t kill that horse,” Stacie Clark, who works for the Stronach farm, recalled pleading with an abattoir official. It wasn’t just small amounts of these drugs that had once been given to the horse: 21 doses of nitrofurazone, which has been linked to cancer in humans, and at least 23 doses of bute, a drug linked to bone marrow disease.


    According to Canada’s Food and Drugs Act, horses should not be sold for food if they have been given nitrofurazone at any point in their lives. Backstreet Bully had been given many other drugs that could also pose a serious risk to humans.


    “Racehorses are walking pharmacies,” said Dr. Nicholas Dodman, a veterinarian at Tufts University in Massachusetts who has studied the issue extensively. “Do you really want to be eating a piece of meat that has the rabies vaccine in it?”


    The Star found a host of problems in Canada’s food protection system related to horses. From one document to the next, the Star discovered confusion over which drugs are considered safe, how quickly a toxic drug leaves a horse’s body, and whether any trust can be placed in the system that regulates horses sold for meat.


    In a Thursday email to the Star, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency said it is working with the horse industry to “develop measures to enhance equine traceability.”


    When Clark, from Stronach’s Adena Springs farm in Aurora, made her rescue attempt, she was already too late. Backstreet Bully was dead, shot in the head while imprisoned in a cramped abattoir stall. Canadian officials have refused to tell the Star if the horse’s meat entered the food chain.


    As part of an investigation into the number of racehorses sent to slaughter as cash-strapped Ontario racetracks close, the Star has traced the life and death of Backstreet Bully, using interviews, government documents and veterinary records.


    If not for a clue on his leather halter — a brass plate engraved with the name Backstreet Bully — the fate of the playful animal with “tons of puppy dog personality” might not have been discovered. The horse’s identification paper was falsified, the Star has learned, and is now private property of the slaughterhouse, which refused to produce it.


    The Star obtained Backstreet Bully’s veterinary records from when he was under Stronach’s care, which show that in addition to bute and nitrofurazone, he had been given numerous other risky substances, such as the anabolic steroid stanozolol.


    Most problematic, though, were the 21 applications of nitrofurazone, a topical ointment used to treat skin infections. In Europe, nitrofurazone was banned for use in food-producing animals in 1995 because it was linked to cancer in humans.



    Canadian officials gave a conflicting and confusing response about nitrofurazone: the drug cannot ever be administered to a horse that will be eaten by humans, but the horse’s medical history must only show it has not had the drug for six months before it is slaughtered.


    Canada is a major international supplier of horse meat. Some 82,000 horses — most coming from the United States where slaughter was banned in 2006 — were killed in federally inspected facilities across the country last year, and about 14,000 metric tonnes of meat exported annually, mostly to Europe and Japan. Canadians consume another 300 tonnes of horse meat each year, mainly in Quebec.


    Like most competitive horses, Backstreet Bully was not raised to be eaten.


    Born into North America’s premier thoroughbred racing stables in 2004, the early hope was that the leggy chestnut baby — foaled at Stronach’s Kentucky farm — would become another of Stronach’s celebrated Queen’s Plate or Breeders’ Cup champions. Lack of speed ended that hope.


    Backstreet Bully ran only three times at Ontario’s Fort Erie racetrack in 2008, collecting a victory and two top-10 finishes for $5,333 in winnings. But retirement didn’t dampen his sunny disposition.


    “He was so funny, he was such a cutie,” said Stacie Clark, a former jockey and television commentator who runs Stronach’s racehorse retirement program in Aurora.


    Stronach launched North America’s first in-house “after care” program for racehorses in 2004, offering his horses for sale so they can go on to a second career. Thoroughbreds are athletic and have other potential such as show jumpers, pleasure riders or companion animals.


    Sarah Irving of Grandview Farm, a competitive riding stable in Oro, Ont., visited Adena Springs in the fall of 2008 looking for a gentle teaching horse for her younger students. She settled on Backstreet Bully.


    “He was such a sweetheart,” said Irving. She bought Backstreet Bully for $1,050 on Oct. 21, 2008. Irving recalled giving Bully powdered bute in his food whenever he had soreness or inflammation.


    Less than a year later, Irving gave Backstreet Bully free to the family of one of her students, confident he was going to a good home with Chris and Karen White at their farm in Apto, near Elmvale, Ont.


    Backstreet Bully remained with the Whites for three years, up until three months ago, when the couple decided the horse was not being ridden enough and wanted to find him a home with more grazing pasture. In a tearful interview, Karen White said it was a difficult decision to send their beloved Backstreet Bully away.


    They contacted Glen Priest, a veteran Wyebridge horse dealer who said he buys and sells about 3,000 horses in Ontario a year, and asked him to find Backstreet Bully a home with large, grassy fields. Priest arrived at the Whites’ farm on the morning of Jan. 7 this year and said he knew a woman with such a place in nearby Coldwater.


    The Whites, who confirmed that Backstreet Bully was given three applications of bute in June 2011, sold the horse to Priest for $100 on the understanding that if the woman in Coldwater didn’t want him, Backstreet Bully would be returned to them. Priest promised to do just that.


    Instead, after the unnamed Coldwater woman refused to buy the horse for $150 — he wanted the extra $50 for gas costs — he housed the animal overnight in his barn.


    The next morning, Jan. 8, Priest trucked Backstreet Bully to the Ontario Livestock Exchange in St. Jacobs, near Waterloo, where he joined dozens of unwanted horses at the weekly auction.


    Priest signed the federal government’s mandatory Equine Information Document — a type of horse passport that must accompany all horses destined for slaughter — and stated that as owner, he had “uninterrupted possession, care and control” of Backstreet Bully for the past six months.


    In fact, he had owned him for about 24 hours.


    In signing the passport, Priest also attested that Backstreet Bully had been drug free for the past six months and had not been given any “not permitted” substances listed on the government’s website.


    Critics of the passport system say the form is confusing and open to misinterpretation or outright fraud.


    Priest, who has been in the horse business for more than 40 years, said he rescues and sells horses to good homes. He told the Star he falsely claimed he’d owned Backstreet Bully for six months because “everybody does” this on the horse documents.


    Calling himself “the last resort” for people who no longer want their horses, Priest said Backstreet Bully was a bone rack who looked 15, not 9 years old, and that he was doing the Whites a favour by taking the gelding to auction.


    Priest said he has sold dozens of horses at auctions over the years without any problem.


    “The only mistake I made was the halter shouldn’t have went with that horse. That’s where it all leaked out,” Priest told the Star.


    The federal government relies heavily on the accuracy of the passports, which have been in existence since 2010 and are the first line of defence in keeping tainted horse meat from the human food chain. The government does not require owners selling a horse for meat to provide additional medical history such as veterinary records.


    Dr. Martin Appelt, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency’s national veterinary program manager, acknowledged the government relies on an honour system and hopes that the documents are “a reflection of the truth.”


    But it’s far from a foolproof system: last year, tainted horse meat from Canada, bound for Belgium, was found to contain traces of two controversial drugs, bute and clenbuterol, the latter on the list of drugs in Canada that are never to be given to animals sold for human food.


    The Canadian Food Inspection Agency began testing horse meat for bute in 2002. In detecting prohibited veterinary drug residues in meat, there is an overall compliance rate of 96 to 98 per cent, according to an agency spokesperson. Testing is random though a horse or its carcass will be tested if there are red flags or concerns.


    The European Union takes a tough stance on many veterinary drugs in human food, including bute and nitrofurazone, for its homegrown horses. Yet the EU will accept Canadian-processed horse meat if the animals’ documents say they were drug free for six months at the time of slaughter.


    There is little research on the depletion rate of bute in horses and what level, if any, is safe for consumption.


    The Canadian Food Inspection Agency does not monitor provincial auction houses. It has inspectors at the four abattoirs where horses are killed then processed as human food. Two abattoirs are in Quebec, two in Alberta.


    Backstreet Bully was sent to Les Viandes de la Petite Nation in Saint-André-Avellin, Que., a 90-minute drive northwest of Montreal. It is the same slaughterhouse that processed the two tainted meat samples bound for Belgium last year.


    On Jan. 8, Backstreet Bully was walked through the St. Jacobs sales ring, looking healthy and weighing in at 1,200 pounds, according to thoroughbred owner Mindy Lovell of Cumberland, Ont., who was there that day.


    Lovell runs Transitions Thoroughbreds, a non-profit racehorse rescue operation that has saved dozens of horses from slaughter. She’d made herself known that morning to an auction employee, who in turn alerted her to a chestnut thoroughbred in one of the pens.


    Lovell tried to bid on the gelding but claims the auctioneer ignored her waving wildly at him. She lost out to a Quebec man named Jonathan Lalonde, who Lovell said purchased Backstreet Bully for 26 cents a pound — about $300. Lalonde is one of a number of people who supply horses to slaughterhouses and are referred to by some as “kill buyers.”


    Lalonde said “it’s not really my problem” when informed Priest had falsely signed the horse passport, adding it’s the responsibility of horse owners to ensure their animals are drug free when he buys them.


    Lovell said she tried to buy Backstreet Bully from Lalonde. He refused, telling her the horse was “meat only.” Lalonde told the Star he refused because he was respecting the wishes of the owner, Priest, that Backstreet Bully be sold for meat.


    Upset, Lovell drove home. She knew the horse’s name. She’d read it on his halter nameplate and wondered about his history. In the early hours of Jan. 9, a computer search revealed Backstreet Bully was once a Stronach horse. She phoned her friend Stacie Clark at Adena Springs around 7:30 a.m.


    Clark said that in a phone call just after 8 a.m., she offered to fax the slaughterhouse manager Backstreet Bully’s full drug history, but the offer was rejected. About an hour later, during another call, Clark was told the horse was dead.


    Her insistence that the former racehorse had been given bute prompted slaughterhouse staff to conduct a post-mortem drug test.


    The slaughterhouse would not reveal the test results, saying it was private information.


    The Canadian Food Inspection Agency would not talk to the Star about the Backstreet Bully case.


    An email obtained by the Star from Canadian Agriculture and Agri-Food Minister Gerry Ritz to a woman concerned about Backstreet Bully’s fate stated the test was negative for bute. The email does not say if the dead horse was tested for nitrofurazone or other drugs.


    What happened to Backstreet Bully’s carcass is a closely guarded secret. Neither the government nor the slaughterhouse owner will say whether the horse’s meat became someone’s dinner somewhere in the world.


    Slaughterhouse owner Jordan Harpur refused to answer any questions from the Star regarding how the drug tests were conducted or whether Backstreet Bully’s carcass was released for meat. Harpur also refused to provide Backstreet Bully’s passport.


    “Unfortunately, for competitive reasons, we wouldn’t be sharing those documents,” Harpur said.

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    And from another article, a little more condensed:

    http://www.thestar.com/news/investig...ue_system.html

    Horses as food: Confusion and loopholes plague system

    Canada’s food watchdog system is filled with confusion and loopholes when it comes to the safety of horse meat.


    Take the toxic-to-humans drug nitrofurazone as an example.


    Canada’s Food and Drug Regulations “prohibits the sale” of horses (or any other animal) for human food if nitrofurazone has ever been given to the horse.


    But the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) states that a horse’s medical history must only show it has not been given nitrofurazone “within six months of slaughter” for human food.


    In an email to the Star, the CFIA touches on the issue of testing food horses for drug residues, an expensive prospect that is not routinely done when horses are killed for meat.

    The agency told the Star there is “no tolerance” for “any level” of nitrofurazone in meat products.


    Next, the horse “passport” that was signed in the Backstreet Bully case asked a series of questions of its current owner, who had owned the horse for 24 hours but falsely stated he had the horse for six months.


    Even if the form had been filled out truthfully it still would not have dealt with the lifetime of the horse and its many treatments with nitrofurazone and other substances.


    In Europe, horses have a lifetime passport, something that critics of Canada’s system say is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7arabians View Post
    Wow! Once again, the ra ra's have jumped the gun and are claiming things which just aren't true. Respected biologists are now beginning to object to these claims of horse meat being found in other meats. The biologists are warning that most food animals share so much DNA that one could try to make this argument from any sample analyzed from any meat. Cattle, horses and yes, even chickens share so much DNA, that analysis cannot differentiate precisely enough to be of value. When the ra ra's don't get the results they want, they simply move the goalposts to the point that their standards are so minute as to make them meaningless. But that doesn't stop them from screaming from the hilltops!
    Do you know anything about biology, science, dna testing, anything at all related to the bunch of BS you just posted? When you post such completely false information you look like a fool. Try a little research before you believe any bit of propaganda posted by either of the two extreme sides to this issue.

    Edited to add: Yes, cattle, horses, chickens, humans, etc all share ALOT of DNA, but not all their DNA. Try to think a bit, if they can differentiate the parentage of a human child based on the differences just between human DNA, wouldn't the average layperson be able to understand that they can differentiate DNA by species?
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    The strange thing is that the rara clique is pretending to be so concerned about what's in the horse meat, but in fact, they don't feel anyone should be able to end a horse's life.
    And to actually identify tissue by dna requires pcr. Who is supposedly running all these expensive tests? Could it be the folks who gave us all that fraudulent data on 'global warming' and when that didn't work, they renamed it climate change! Have any of you viewed certified dna test results? Everything you post is hearsay at best.
    DNA labs are not all the same. Many are not permitted to test criminal samples due to their inaccuracy. It's beginning to sound as if the rara's have infiltrated the dna tester ranks and are purposely defrauding us! We need the names of the labs and their technicians before any trust can be placed in any of this.



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    Now the anti side is going to claim that Priest is a RARA that was undercover, and did this to make the slaughter industry look bad.

    and that article shows that it isn't just "unwanted" horses that get slaughtered, and that traders, slaughterhouses and kill buyers are more interested in covering their tracks and destroying evidence than making sure that a horse that has a home isn't slaughtered.

    Then you have Priest's stmt that "everyone lies on the EIDs".


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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    You beat me to it...the early bird catches the worm. Hey Fairfax...let's hear about how safe and respected the Canadian horse meat supply is now.

    "A Star investigation has found that Canada’s food inspection system has serious flaws when dealing with the steady stream of racehorses sent to slaughter every year. During his life, Backstreet Bully, like many competitive horses, was given powerful performance-enhancing drugs that are potentially deadly in meat eaten by humans."
    But Fairfax says the Canadian system has improved and has a great inspection system. You mean it's not true?!

    Quote Originally Posted by luvmytbs View Post
    Maybe we need to put the content of the article in a post, so Fairfax can't claim he couldn't read it because of dial-up:


    Quote Originally Posted by jetsmom View Post
    Now the anti side is going to claim that Priest is a RARA that was undercover, and did this to make the slaughter industry look bad.

    and that article shows that it isn't just "unwanted" horses that get slaughtered, and that traders, slaughterhouses and kill buyers are more interested in covering their tracks and destroying evidence than making sure that a horse that has a home isn't slaughtered.

    Then you have Priest's stmt that "everyone lies on the EIDs".
    Come on, jetsmom, don't you know this is all just propoganda?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    You beat me to it...the early bird catches the worm. Hey Fairfax...let's hear about how safe and respected the Canadian horse meat supply is now.

    "A Star investigation has found that Canada’s food inspection system has serious flaws when dealing with the steady stream of racehorses sent to slaughter every year. During his life, Backstreet Bully, like many competitive horses, was given powerful performance-enhancing drugs that are potentially deadly in meat eaten by humans."
    Read my response on the other thread.

    First..the horse did NOT enter the food chain. All meat from TB's is tested on a regular basis BECAUSE of passport violations.

    The Star...that is like saying The National Enquirer..it is a left wing newspaper that always supports nanny state, victimhood and hates ...truly hates free enterprise.

    They stated there was "confusion" regarding what drugs could be used...there is NO confusion for the export market nor for human consumption.

    We already challenged the "author" of this little piece regarding the Stronach self serving program...NO COMMENT

    We asked for the peer reviewed PROOF of the bone marrow and other diseases from these drugs...well...there is some HINT there could be a problem because (this came from the reporter) 4% of the rats given the drug daily at a rate that would be 10 times that given to any horse..MAY have developed bone marrtow abnormalities...)

    Did you know the Star promotes a VEGAN healthy lifestyle as the ideal choice for Canadians.

    On the other side...Anti groups can only point out on the very FEW reports oh.,..the sky is falling

    ALL induistries have problems and bad apples. They will vbe weeded out as they should

    Funny how y'all become experts on Canadian newspapers and their validity when y'all had probably never even heard of the LEFT WING Toronto Star before.

    P.S. they are spokespersons for Dr. David Suzuki and the Mellon and Tide foundations with their environmentalism and everything must be green.


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    The industry clearly states it is NOT just old tired unloved horseys that go for slaughter. They do say there is an excess of horses over ownership demand and they are servicing a need.

    Gosh...such old recycling you folks engage in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsmom View Post
    Now the anti side is going to claim that Priest is a RARA that was undercover, and did this to make the slaughter industry look bad.

    and that article shows that it isn't just "unwanted" horses that get slaughtered, and that traders, slaughterhouses and kill buyers are more interested in covering their tracks and destroying evidence than making sure that a horse that has a home isn't slaughtered.

    Then you have Priest's stmt that "everyone lies on the EIDs".
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    Under cover? There was no undercover. Just reporting what the Stronach foundation wanted him to print so they don't look like vbad guys. No more. No less



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairfax View Post
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    Under cover? There was no undercover. Just reporting what the Stronach foundation wanted him to print so they don't look like vbad guys. No more. No less
    Riiiiiiggght, and you know that how? Friend of a friend?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairfax View Post
    First..the horse did NOT enter the food chain. All meat from TB's is tested on a regular basis BECAUSE of passport violations.
    What proof do you have that the horse didn't enter the food chain? The slaughterhouse spokesman wouldn't reveal what happened which doesn't make sense because if they prevented it, why didn't they just come clean about it?
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    Quite simply.. Euuuuuueueeeewwwwww!! No Thanks. I'll stick to my veg!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 7arabians View Post
    Who is supposedly running all these expensive tests? Could it be the folks who gave us all that fraudulent data on 'global warming' and when that didn't work, they renamed it climate change!
    Not so much.

    http://www.intertek.com/food/food-quality-meat-testing/ Intertek

    http://food.eurofins.com/authenticity/meat-testing.aspx Eurofins

    http://www.sgs.com/en/Agriculture-Fo...vironment.aspx SGS

    http://www.elisa-tek.com/testing-services/ And ELISA, too.

    "GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- A horse meat scandal in Europe is keeping a Gainesville company very busy.

    Since January, horse meat has turned up in beef products in countries throughout Europe in everything from frozen meals to lunch served in school cafeterias, and those who were eating it had no idea.

    Now companies around the world turning to a Gainesville business for help. ELISA Technologies, Inc. has created the first of its kind test that can detect horse protein. Scientists at the company's lab are working around the clock making the test kits and testing samples sent in from around the world. ...

    ""We were the only ones that had it (the horse protein test) when it broke out so we were getting calls from everywhere. 'When can we get it? How much is it? Where do we get?' It was just a frenzy," said Rosskopf. "We've sent test kits to China, to the U.K., Ireland, Canada, Germany, the Netherlands, France, Spain, Chile. They have just been going all over."

    While other companies can test for horse DNA, Rosskopf said the ELISA test kit is the only one of its kind that actually tests for horse protein, and compared to DNA tests, it's more cost efficient. A kit that costs around $500 can test around two dozen samples. It can detect down to one percent horse meat." http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/a...s-in-overdrive


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    Quote Originally Posted by up-at-5 View Post
    Riiiiiiggght, and you know that how? Friend of a friend?
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    Jetsmom or who ever stated I would claim the undercover was a priest.

    I do wish y'all would READ for once instead of hysterically clustering and having group hugs.

    There was no "secret investigation" and therefore this story broke.

    It was just reports..and not that good in the first place...but then...they did support Stronach when she jumped from the Conservatives to the Liberals and then failed to WOW the Canadian populace.

    Now here is something to read:

    By Maggie Fox, Senior Writer, NBC News
    The Food and Drug Administration says it doesn’t have the power it needs to control compounding pharmacies that have expanded out of their traditional one-patient-at-a-time role to making mass drugs.

    But consumer advocates say a recent crackdown by the agency shows it most certainly can – and should. A spate of recent FDA inspections have shown that the dirty conditions that led to an outbreak of fungal meningitis that killed 51 people and sickened more than 700 are anything but rare at pharmacies that mix up what are supposed to be “sterile” injectable drugs.

    Other than some Rara screaming they had an upset stomach "at the thought" of having eaten old Dobbin ...

    Why aren't any of you on this like flies to a " road apple"

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    Time for reading comprehension....The TB's identified at time of slaughter are sampled and tested BECAUSE they are knwon to have drugs. They are packaged and held until positive or negative results.

    THEN a decision is made...many buyers in Europe don't care for their pet food. Maybe in Asuia don't care for their people food. It WILL BE noted on its export papers that it tested positive when it is shipped.



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    Ban all pharmacies

    Ban all scientists

    Ban all doctors



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    Fairfax, if you want to talk about human compounding pharmacies, you might want to take it to Off Topic. Not horse related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairfax View Post

    It was just reports..and not that good in the first place...but then...they did support Stronach when she jumped from the Conservatives to the Liberals and then failed to WOW the Canadian populace.
    So what, she crossed the floor how many years ago? The bigger news was her fling with NHL'er Ty Domie. Both news items have zero to do with the topic at hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairfax View Post

    Jenn

    Time for reading comprehension....The TB's identified at time of slaughter are sampled and tested BECAUSE they are knwon to have drugs. They are packaged and held until positive or negative results.

    THEN a decision is made...many buyers in Europe don't care for their pet food. Maybe in Asuia don't care for their people food. It WILL BE noted on its export papers that it tested positive when it is shipped.
    This still doesn't answer my question. Nice try.
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