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    Default How do you prefer I make commercial winged standards?

    Hello all!

    I've sort of started a jump making bizz and recently been asked for winged standards.

    There are two ways to make them and I was wondering if riders had a preference.

    1. The fast and easy way:
    ~Attach 2x4 cross supports to the outside of the 4x4s
    like so:
    http://jumpsbyjill.weebly.com/standards1.html
    I would taper the edges so that they looked nice.

    2. Make an inset channel with a dado blade:
    ~Inset the 2x4s
    http://www.olddominionjumps.com/standards.html

    As a rider jumping these fences, do you even notice the difference in the two models? Would you care as a buyer?
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    Personally, I like the look of the standards in the first option. I think they are built to look nicer when painted whereas on the second option, the 2x4s always looks just posted on, versus crafted in.


    Please, please be conscious of the weight of your building materials! Theses standards can be a PAIN to move if they're not built with that in mind. Jumps get moved daily, so for me, mobility ranks higher than looks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JumpsJumps View Post
    Personally, I like the look of the standards in the first option. I think they are built to look nicer when painted whereas on the second option, the 2x4s always looks just posted on, versus crafted in.


    Please, please be conscious of the weight of your building materials! Theses standards can be a PAIN to move if they're not built with that in mind. Jumps get moved daily, so for me, mobility ranks higher than looks.
    Seriously. This is why I don't normally make winged standards. I prefer not to have to move them around! lol
    There is only 1 way to make winged standards and that is with 4x4s and 2x4s. They weigh what they weigh, ya know?
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    I've never made wing standards, only post, but if I were to make wing standards for myself, I'd cheat and make the outer side/post with a 2x4.

    I vote the first option.
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    I have always preferred the option two method. I think this way is more sturdy over time.


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    As a rider I don't care. As someone moving these fences, I feel I can get a better grip on the ones that do not have the 2x4 inset because I can better wrap my hand under the post underneath it, so I vote for door #1.
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    We make all our own jumps. And yes, if you make the "outside post" a 2"x4" rather than a 4"x4" it cuts the weight down quite a bit. Making 24" wide wings keeps them lighter as well.



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    Another vote to take weight into considerations.

    As the mechanical fasteners loosen over time the notched construction of option 2 helps keep the standards looking less droopy/tilted.

    Though in general I do not think anyone notices as they are cantering to a jump how they are constructed. As long as they are neat and safe either option is fine.



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    As a professional jump maker I have always made the 2nd type. If you look at show standards, they have the routed out inset. If you do it this way, then the pickets are flush with the front of the 4 x 4. -- If your client orders a 2 sided jump, then you can put lattice/pickets etc. on both sides of the horizontal 2 x 4's.

    I also notch out the bottom of the 4 x 4 so the 2 x 6 sits underneath the 4 x 4. It is a much sturdier way to make them.

    If you give clients the choice, then option 1 should be considerably cheaper because of the time involved.

    I also give clients the option of having the two 4 x 4's the same height with holes drilled for jump cups on both sides. This makes the standards usable for a jump chute, or putting jumps next to each other, using only 3 standards for 2 jumps.

    But, bottom line, I try to convince my cients that "schooing standards" are much easier to use in a home ring, because making show standards is such a pain in the butt.
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    Yes, weight is a huge thing to consider. As a working student, I get the pleasure of hauling around large, heavy, and cumbersome wing standards, boxes and etc. for my barn. It is not fun.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Helpus View Post

    But, bottom line, I try to convince my clients that "schooling standards" are much easier to use in a home ring, because making show standards is such a pain in the butt.
    lol. That is what I did this morning. I would never want a wing standard on my property. No way I'm going to move those suckers!!

    Interesting idea using a 2x4 as the outside post. I would not want one done like that if I were buying, but I can see how it would knock the weight down considerably.
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    The second option. If the 2x4 is not inset it limits where you can put the jump cup, unless you are using a keyhole track. The last farm I worked at had some of each type and the one with the 2x4 on the outside were very annoying when I wanted to just go up one hole when schooling the jumper and I couldn't because the 2x4 was in the way.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dmacaramel View Post
    The second option. If the 2x4 is not inset it limits where you can put the jump cup, unless you are using a keyhole track. The last farm I worked at had some of each type and the one with the 2x4 on the outside were very annoying when I wanted to just go up one hole when schooling the jumper and I couldn't because the 2x4 was in the way.
    agree,

    the only way around this is to put the cross pieces at 1' and then up highish.
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