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  1. #1
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    Default Choosing bits for new horse for, 3 phases

    I have been working on trying out some different bits for my new horse. We are planning to start the season off at Novice, hoping to move up to training if all goes well.

    I have been riding him in a plain snaffle for the dressage and he goes around alright but in the canter he drops his head too low and roots/ tries to pull me out of the saddle. I am wondering if there is anything legal that will give me more leverage than the typical bit.

    I am jumping him in a gag right now every time but am planning on just using that on XC. He is pretty strong and hard to stop so feel like I need it. In SJ it makes him a little too round and collected so am thinking of trying a slow twist Dee ring. Any thought on that?

    Would love to hear if anyone has any suggestions! Thanks



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    I have had good luck using a baucher for a horse that likes to drop their head/go on the forehand for dressage. I've used single and double jointed bits depending on the horse's preference.

    For jumping, is the horse actually pulling or just locking his jaw? A twisted bit might give you more of a bite when you ask for a half halt, but if he's just locking down you need to be lighter in your hands. Are you using 2 reins on the gag? You could also try a waterford if he's really just locking down, harder for him to latch onto.



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    My usual starting points and progressions:

    All 3 phases I try first a D-ring KK or JP bit: http://www.smartpakequine.com/herm-s...ing-7102p.aspx

    I often move up to a baucher with horses heavy on the forehand. I particularly like: http://www.adamshorsesupplies.com/My...her-P1533.aspx

    I do sometimes go with a baucher waterford for jumping: http://www.bitofbritain.com/Waterfor...Bit_p/3115.htm

    Next move up is to a Dr. Bristol D-ring for jumping: http://www.smartpakequine.com/jp-hun...tol-4476p.aspx or to a snaffle with a "fixed ring" http://www.adamshorsesupplies.com/Ko...Bit-P1618.aspx or a wonder bit

    I personally have not had great luck with anything with multiple rings on horses that pull down. After the bits above, before I go to any more bit (but I tend to have horses that don't like a ton in their mouth), I go to something with poll pressure, nose pressure or lip strap. I do like the kineton noseband for pullers http://www.bigdweb.com/KINETON-NOSEB...ductinfo/94LH/, but other prefer the lever http://www.nunnfiner.com/Nunn-Finer-...and-p/280b.htm. I have also seen good success with some of the combo bits: http://www.toklat.com/Myler/Combo%20Bits%20Use

    And you will get lots of advice about just getting the horse more through/more correct, more trained to the half halt, which I am sure you are working on in parallel with figuring out which training aids can help you install those buttons permanently.
    OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!



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    Bits can be trial and error. My elevator that was just perfect for my Appendix on XC just makes my OTTB push down on it and go faster, apparently poll pressure is not his thing. The latter also hates nose pressure. So we are trying a pelham.

    In dressage, if he's going down in the canter, there really isn't a leverage bit that is legal, you just have to work on kicking him forward and up. As the owner of said downhill Appendix, believe me, I know how much work that is. He loved his boucher, but it really just provides stability, not leverage.



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    Quote Originally Posted by scubed View Post
    My usual starting points and progressions:

    All 3 phases I try first a D-ring KK or JP bit: http://www.smartpakequine.com/herm-s...ing-7102p.aspx

    I often move up to a baucher with horses heavy on the forehand. I particularly like: http://www.adamshorsesupplies.com/My...her-P1533.aspx

    I do sometimes go with a baucher waterford for jumping: http://www.bitofbritain.com/Waterfor...Bit_p/3115.htm

    Next move up is to a Dr. Bristol D-ring for jumping: http://www.smartpakequine.com/jp-hun...tol-4476p.aspx or to a snaffle with a "fixed ring" http://www.adamshorsesupplies.com/Ko...Bit-P1618.aspx or a wonder bit

    I personally have not had great luck with anything with multiple rings on horses that pull down. After the bits above, before I go to any more bit (but I tend to have horses that don't like a ton in their mouth), I go to something with poll pressure, nose pressure or lip strap. I do like the kineton noseband for pullers http://www.bigdweb.com/KINETON-NOSEB...ductinfo/94LH/, but other prefer the lever http://www.nunnfiner.com/Nunn-Finer-...and-p/280b.htm. I have also seen good success with some of the combo bits: http://www.toklat.com/Myler/Combo%20Bits%20Use

    And you will get lots of advice about just getting the horse more through/more correct, more trained to the half halt, which I am sure you are working on in parallel with figuring out which training aids can help you install those buttons permanently.
    This was just the thread I have been looking for, I too have an OTTB, who has come extremely far and used to be a really bad puller, but with lots of ground work it has gotten a lot better, at least for the flat.

    When jumping, its not that he necessarily gets strong but he will get his head right down to the ground or over collect and I literally have to put my hands to his head and kick to say hey hello, still here head up please.... And going to the jump he will get reall low where I swear hea going to fall over it...

    Currently ride him in a loose ring French link and flat its fine, have tried him in a happy mouth elevator and its just to much for him, he over collects and curls I'm.from it even on a loose rein.

    Was thinking of trying a baucher to see if he likes the stabability of it, but now I am also really curious about the Waterford, lots of good reviews there too.

    o ibwas thinking, if I like both, why not get both as one and do a Boucher Waterford.... BUY is that to much of an extreme... Been debating if I should try just a Boucher French link, or just a plain loose ring or D ring Waterford.. and go from there.

    He's a 5.5 OTTB, going great on flat And as his canter is improving and becoming better balanced, his jumping is improving with it, BUT this horse has an uncanny ability to move forward with his head in positions he shouldn't :]
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    Tried the Pelham for the first time the other day and he went around really nice in it, like the show hunter he used to be. Except I was a little surprised that I had absolutely no half-hault almost! We are also going to try a Myler for the flat, herd they are pretty comfortable and many horses like them.



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