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    Default Spinoff: The Underground Economy

    Who out there would gladly pay cash for goods or services, to save on the taxes, perhaps getting a cash discount as well?
    I'll fess up, I pay my farrier in cash, saves me $35.00 per six weeks visit. I also pay the board on one of my horses in cash as well.
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    If you're going to avoid your societal responsibility to pay taxes, I'd appreciate it if you'd kindly stop using the roads, hospitals, mail service, etc that I pay for with my taxes. Seriously.
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    I use cash to get the 'cash discount' at some local small businesses (it costs them money to process cards, so they're often willing to discount a bit if you use cash)......it's especially dangerous when the local tack shop does it

    But no, I don't ever do it to avoid taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
    If you're going to avoid your societal responsibility to pay taxes, I'd appreciate it if you'd kindly stop using the roads, hospitals, mail service, etc that I pay for with my taxes. Seriously.
    Based on the location in the OP's info, I think we are safe from her using all of out resources without contributing.
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    I meant the general "you" - the target audience of the thread, not just the OP.
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    I've never really thought about paying cash to avoid sales tax. My mind tends to be preoccupied with the big chunks taken from my paycheck instead of the cuts every time I buy a pencil. I do try to avoid buying anything in Philly, where I work, since the city has higher sales tax and I'm already forced to pay an obscene city wage tax.


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    Not to avoid taxes, but I pay my hay guy, hoof trimmer, equine chiro and such in cash.

    Who takes their checkbook out to the pasture or barn when dealing with the above mentioned?

    Cash in the back pocket so much easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
    If you're going to avoid your societal responsibility to pay taxes, I'd appreciate it if you'd kindly stop using the roads, hospitals, mail service, etc that I pay for with my taxes. Seriously.
    US Postal Service is not tax payer supported it is a semi-independent federal agency, mandated to be revenue-neutral...so enjoy all the junk mail you get.

    Roads ... gas tax or tolls any more... poor old government can not fund roads unless you live back east then they tax the fly-over people to pay for those roads

    Hospitals ... public are county supported by local property taxes in most cases so that's pretty hard to dodge by paying cash


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    While the underground economy is alive and well, it's best not to advertise the fact that you are involved with it, just in case I worked for the tax service...

    I never mind paying taxes for all that we get from them, but when I hear of government overspends and poor decisions, it does make me sick.

    I do believe in getting all the legal tax breaks one can and try to take advantage of as many as we can.
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    If you're posting online about paying cash to avoid taxes ...you're a fool
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    That assumes that the person selling you the product is not recording the sale. As a vendor that pays sales tax, it is my responsibility to collect sales taxes at the time of sale and then make my deposit quarterly. It's not my money. I collect sales taxes on all my product sales regardless of how it's paid for.

    As a vendor, you do NOT want to tangle with the sale tax auditors. They make the IRS auditors look like pansies.

    Farrier services are not subject to sale tax in our state. Not sure if it is anywhere in the US.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream Believer View Post
    That assumes that the person selling you the product is not recording the sale. As a vendor that pays sales tax, it is my responsibility to collect sales taxes at the time of sale and then make my deposit quarterly. It's not my money. I collect sales taxes on all my product sales regardless of how it's paid for.

    As a vendor, you do NOT want to tangle with the sale tax auditors. They make the IRS auditors look like pansies.

    Farrier services are not subject to sale tax in our state. Not sure if it is .anywhere in the US.
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    I pay for stuff in cash when I can get a discount, yes. Seems silly not to. I also pay in cash for farrier, trainer and my board. This is because others appreciate it and I do it as a courtesy to them.



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    Even when you pay in cash or receive cash, you are supposed to have a bill of sale backing it up and report it.

    Our horseshoer is paid with a check.

    Tax evasion crime is no joke.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraKY View Post
    If you're posting online about paying cash to avoid taxes ...you're a fool
    Please explain.

    Wouldn't a true "Underground Economy" be bartering for things?

    Maybe I just don't understand this since we have no sales tax in OR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluey View Post
    Even when you pay in cash or receive cash, you are supposed to have a bill of sale backing it up and report it.
    What should happen and what does happen are often two entirely different things.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
    If you're going to avoid your societal responsibility to pay taxes, I'd appreciate it if you'd kindly stop using the roads, hospitals, mail service, etc that I pay for with my taxes. Seriously.
    I'm sure that will stop all the tax dodgers......LOL....



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    Quote Originally Posted by CDE Driver View Post
    Wouldn't a true "Underground Economy" be bartering for things?
    That is a component of it, but not the only one.



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    Can't imagine doing it to avoid paying taxes, especially not in Canada where at least some of their taxes go towards paying for their health care ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDE Driver View Post
    Please explain.

    Wouldn't a true "Underground Economy" be bartering for things?

    Maybe I just don't understand this since we have no sales tax in OR.
    Barter is taxable, sorry.



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