The Chronicle of the Horse
MagazineNewsHorse SportsHorse CareCOTH StoreVoicesThe Chronicle UntackedDirectoriesMarketplaceDates & Results
 
Page 25 of 58 FirstFirst ... 15232425262735 ... LastLast
Results 481 to 500 of 1148
  1. #481
    Join Date
    Feb. 28, 2001
    Posts
    15,232

    Default

    If you can't afford the potential result of sex then you go buy a condom or don't have sex.

    This is SO.NOT.the purpose of government.

    Someone's 'right to have sex' is a FAR cry from someone in poverty that can't afford basic healthcare to keep alive.

    If you can't afford to pay, don't play.


    8 members found this post helpful.

  2. #482
    Join Date
    May. 5, 2006
    Posts
    2,996

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by cheval convert View Post
    Hobby Lobby is a privately held firm, so the government is trying to compel the owner of this firm to violate his religious faith and participate in the commission of a mortal sin.

    There are times when we are called to honor an authority higher than the US government.
    You know what? I agree with you...as soon as Mr. Green is forced to violate "his religious faith and participate in a mortal sin". Mr. Green isn't being asked to personally violate anything. The minute he is forced to abort a fetus he is carrying in his own body? That is the moment he is being forced to personally violate his faith.

    Until then? He is trying to force his personally held beliefs onto his employees. I just don't understand how the religious right can hold two contradictory beliefs in their heads at the same time. It is wrong to force him to not force his employees? How can force be good for him, but not for the government?
    Sheilah


    5 members found this post helpful.

  3. #483
    Join Date
    Nov. 2, 2001
    Location
    Packing my bags
    Posts
    33,612

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoRider View Post
    You know what? I agree with you...as soon as Mr. Green is forced to violate "his religious faith and participate in a mortal sin". Mr. Green isn't being asked to personally violate anything. The minute he is forced to abort a fetus he is carrying in his own body? That is the moment he is being forced to personally violate his faith.

    Until then? He is trying to force his personally held beliefs onto his employees. I just don't understand how the religious right can hold two contradictory beliefs in their heads at the same time. It is wrong to force him to not force his employees? How can force be good for him, but not for the government?
    Sheilah

    Because they know better what's good for the rest of us.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bristol Bay View Post
    Try setting your broomstick to fly at a lower altitude.


    4 members found this post helpful.

  4. #484
    Join Date
    Nov. 2, 2001
    Location
    Packing my bags
    Posts
    33,612

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by LMH View Post
    If you can't afford the potential result of sex then you go buy a condom or don't have sex.

    This is SO.NOT.the purpose of government.

    Someone's 'right to have sex' is a FAR cry from someone in poverty that can't afford basic healthcare to keep alive.

    If you can't afford to pay, don't play.

    Birth Control can and does fail, you know.

    But the burden is always on the shoulders of the woman.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bristol Bay View Post
    Try setting your broomstick to fly at a lower altitude.


    8 members found this post helpful.

  5. #485
    Join Date
    Feb. 28, 2001
    Posts
    15,232

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Alagirl View Post
    Birth Control can and does fail, you know.

    But the burden is always on the shoulders of the woman.
    It seems part of that 'responsible' idea is entering into a relationship that can result in a child only if *you* can manage it OR you have confidence in your partner to step up to the plate.

    I understand everyone feels he or she has a 'right' to play and it is considered all Leave It To Beaver to actually NOT play until you can handle the results...but it is actually being responsible.

    I am not saying everyone has to wait until marriage BUT it is pretty much a known fact that if you play it IS the woman that will carry the baby.

    I learned that in grade school.

    So this should not be a shocker should it?

    You can't change that so you either don't play or make sure you can afford the results.

    In any case, my business expenses should not have to increase just because you can't deal with choice.

    It is NOT a part of basic healthcare.


    5 members found this post helpful.

  6. #486
    Join Date
    May. 5, 2006
    Posts
    2,996

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by stolen virtue View Post
    Wow, that is a pretty scary statement. I think there have been mass murders with the thought "There are times when we are called to honor an authority higher than the US government".

    I am thankfull that other religious people do not think this way. Wow...
    Or that the majority of the American population doesn't think this way. Obama was reelected easily, even with "Obamacare" hanging around his neck. Seems to me that if the majority of folks wanted to see the vision that Mr. Hobby Lobby has for the country enacted, they would have voted for Romney.

    Thankfully the voting public finally opened it's eyes to just how out of step the religious right has pulled conservative politics. Too extreme for mainstream America. Contraception should be banned? "Legitimate rape" can stop a pregnancy in it's tracks? Sandra Fluke is a slut because she thinks women's access to birth control pills is just as important as some dude's access to a really awesome erection? One families religious beliefs should be visited on all their employees, despite the fact that the business in question is a secular one?
    Sheilah


    10 members found this post helpful.

  7. #487
    Join Date
    Jun. 27, 2005
    Location
    KY
    Posts
    4,824

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by LMH View Post
    It is NOT a part of basic healthcare.
    But Viagra would be, right?

    ************************
    \"Horses lend us the wings we lack\"


    4 members found this post helpful.

  8. #488
    Join Date
    Sep. 7, 2009
    Location
    Lexington, KY
    Posts
    20,151

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by LMH View Post
    It seems part of that 'responsible' idea is entering into a relationship that can result in a child only if *you* can manage it OR you have confidence in your partner to step up to the plate.

    I understand everyone feels he or she has a 'right' to play and it is considered all Leave It To Beaver to actually NOT play until you can handle the results...but it is actually being responsible.

    I am not saying everyone has to wait until marriage BUT it is pretty much a known fact that if you play it IS the woman that will carry the baby.

    I learned that in grade school.

    So this should not be a shocker should it?

    You can't change that so you either don't play or make sure you can afford the results.

    In any case, my business expenses should not have to increase just because you can't deal with choice.

    It is NOT a part of basic healthcare.
    A policy that includes free birth control is less expensive than one that doesn't cover birth control. Sorry, that's the facts.

    So, it's a moral stand that HL doesn't want people to have sex without the threat that a baby might be produced. Why should their religious belief trump someone elses? I just don't get it.

    Maybe, since the employees pay about 1/2 the premium, their employees can have free BC for 6 months of the year.
    "We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." ~Immanuel Kant


    4 members found this post helpful.

  9. #489
    Join Date
    Apr. 1, 2008
    Posts
    4,558

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by LMH View Post
    It seems part of that 'responsible' idea is entering into a relationship that can result in a child only if *you* can manage it OR you have confidence in your partner to step up to the plate.
    I am a little confused here. Are you saying that people should not get married (enter into a relationship that can result in a child)?

    I am not saying everyone has to wait until marriage BUT it is pretty much a known fact that if you play it IS the woman that will carry the baby.
    did you know that some married people don't want kids? Or can't afford them? Or both? So are you saying that once you are married, b/c is ok as part of a health care package?


    You can't change that so you either don't play or make sure you can afford the results.
    OH! Now I get it, married couples should abstain from sex if they can't afford the results! *slaps forehead*.

    edit: add dripping sarcasm element here.


    8 members found this post helpful.

  10. #490
    Join Date
    Nov. 2, 2001
    Location
    Packing my bags
    Posts
    33,612

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by LMH View Post
    It seems part of that 'responsible' idea is entering into a relationship that can result in a child only if *you* can manage it OR you have confidence in your partner to step up to the plate.

    I understand everyone feels he or she has a 'right' to play and it is considered all Leave It To Beaver to actually NOT play until you can handle the results...but it is actually being responsible.

    I am not saying everyone has to wait until marriage BUT it is pretty much a known fact that if you play it IS the woman that will carry the baby.

    I learned that in grade school.

    So this should not be a shocker should it?

    You can't change that so you either don't play or make sure you can afford the results.

    In any case, my business expenses should not have to increase just because you can't deal with choice.

    It is NOT a part of basic healthcare.
    So what do you propose? Husband and wife pack it all in when they have achieved their 2.5 children?
    Or the husband gets to play, but the wife is left without play?

    Your post is full of assumptions and prejudice.

    Married people use contraceptives as well, and may have their reasons not to have a child.

    And yes, it is a commonly known fact that women carry the burden of reproduction. And yet, they are condemned to pay for it, every turn they take.

    Under your guideline, every female done giving birth better get herself fixed....

    Oh, darn...will it be covered by insurance? If the doctors even agree to do it...another little infringement on the rights of woman...

    ok, since that is also something every man, woman and child should know: being pregnant and giving birth is a huge risk for the female, woman and beast alike. Men don't die having children, women can and do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bristol Bay View Post
    Try setting your broomstick to fly at a lower altitude.


    9 members found this post helpful.

  11. #491
    Join Date
    Sep. 24, 2004
    Location
    Piedmont Triad, North Carolina
    Posts
    2,430

    Default

    A lot of the posts are confusing the fact... Who pays is the question. HL is not against the choice of its employees. HL is just against using corp resources for terminating life. Killing unborn. They regard a fertilized egg as a child. Contraception is preventing that fertilized egg. I haven't read anything that said they are against BC. Actually I've read that HL does cover BC.


    1 members found this post helpful.

  12. #492
    Join Date
    Sep. 24, 2004
    Location
    Piedmont Triad, North Carolina
    Posts
    2,430

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Alagirl View Post
    So what do you propose? Husband and wife pack it all in when they have achieved their 2.5 children?
    Or the husband gets to play, but the wife is left without play?

    Your post is full of assumptions and prejudice.

    And yes, it is a commonly known fact that women carry the burden of reproduction. And yet, they are condemned to pay for it, every turn they take.


    ok, since that is also something every man, woman and child should know: being pregnant and giving birth is a huge risk for the female, woman and beast alike. Men don't die having children, women can and do.
    Alagirl... That's life, not prejudice. Women are the ones that risk the most in sex. Choose your sex partner/s wisely.



  13. #493
    Join Date
    Nov. 18, 2010
    Location
    california
    Posts
    4,703

    Default

    Birth control can help women with medical conditions such as PCO, irregular periods, heavy bleeding..

    Really, "that's life" =tough chit. That is an argument ?


    5 members found this post helpful.

  14. #494
    Join Date
    May. 5, 2006
    Posts
    2,996

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Alagirl View Post
    Or the husband gets to play, but the wife is left without play?
    Well, sure! How much do you want to bet that the female posters who are so busy defending Mr. Hobby Lobby and talking about morality and mortal sin are ALSO of the thought that sex is a burden they have to put up with? A chore of the marital bed, so to speak. No tingly sensations for them! They are on a mission from God!

    And if the posters who are of this mind set happen to be men? I am sure they tell their wives/partners that sex is a chore of reproduction that they must submit to, and that is why they find no pleasure in it. I mean, that is why their wives/partners are finding no pleasure in sex, right? There couldn't be another reason, could there?
    Sheilah


    1 members found this post helpful.

  15. #495
    Join Date
    May. 5, 2006
    Posts
    2,996

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by hosspuller View Post
    HL is just against using corp resources for terminating life. Killing unborn.
    Some religions also believe that male masturbation is a form of killing the unborn through the wasting of the sperm in the ejaculate. Is he willing to force his male employees from abstaining from that? Or is it only his religious beliefs he wants to impose on his employees?

    Also, Hobby Lobby is a company and as such it can't have feelings for or against human behavior. So it isn't Hobby Lobby that is against the use of contraception such as the morning after pill. Mr. Hobby Lobby, the individual is against it.
    Sheilah


    2 members found this post helpful.

  16. #496
    Join Date
    Nov. 2, 2001
    Location
    Packing my bags
    Posts
    33,612

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoRider View Post
    Some religions also believe that male masturbation is a form of killing the unborn through the wasting of the sperm in the ejaculate. Is he willing to force his male employees from abstaining from that? Or is it only his religious beliefs he wants to impose on his employees?
    Sheilah
    what male employees?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bristol Bay View Post
    Try setting your broomstick to fly at a lower altitude.


    1 members found this post helpful.

  17. #497
    Join Date
    Sep. 24, 2004
    Location
    Piedmont Triad, North Carolina
    Posts
    2,430

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoRider View Post
    Some religions also believe that male masturbation is a form of killing the unborn through the wasting of the sperm in the ejaculate. Is he willing to force his male employees from abstaining from that? Or is it only his religious beliefs he wants to impose on his employees?
    HL doesn't impose any restrictions... Anybody can do whatever on their own time. HL merely doesn't wish to pay for killing the unborn as defined by HL. On the contrary, Gov't is imposing its will on HL and by extension its owners.


    2 members found this post helpful.

  18. #498
    Join Date
    May. 5, 2006
    Posts
    2,996

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Alagirl View Post
    what male employees?
    I have shopped there several times, and there are male employees. Shoot, in my local Hobby Lobby, the whole framing department is male. I guess because they have to work with manly things like tools.

    Beyond the store employees, you don't think that the corporate office has a penis or two wandering the hallways? What about Mr. Hobby Lobby himself? Has he ever "spilled his seed without purpose"?
    Sheilah


    1 members found this post helpful.

  19. #499
    Join Date
    Aug. 21, 2007
    Posts
    691

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by stolen virtue View Post
    Wow, that is a pretty scary statement. I think there have been mass murders with the thought "There are times when we are called to honor an authority higher than the US government".

    I am thankfull that other religious people do not think this way. Wow...
    And there are mass murders done in the name of the government - Nazi Germany comes to mind. There were Catholics, called by a higher authority, who hid some of the Jews. This will always comes down to whose perspective and whose authority.

    For the record, here is a quote from the higher authority, "Thou shalt not commit murder". (And actually, I prefer the quote, "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." I try to live by that one. I do fail on occassion but it is something that I strive for.) I believe those 2 quotes should cover fears of my becoming a mass murderer.


    3 members found this post helpful.

  20. #500
    Join Date
    Sep. 24, 2004
    Location
    Piedmont Triad, North Carolina
    Posts
    2,430

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by stolen virtue View Post
    Birth control can help women with medical conditions such as PCO, irregular periods, heavy bleeding..

    Really, "that's life" =tough chit. That is an argument ?
    As in the gun control discusions, you conflate the issues. BC is not at issue. Morning after pills and abortion is the issue. Does HL pay for surgical abortions not medically required to save the mother's life? I doubt it.



Similar Threads

  1. Fall flowers 80% off at Hobby Lobby!
    By NaniLio in forum Around The Farm
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: Nov. 17, 2012, 01:17 PM
  2. Replies: 6
    Last Post: Oct. 25, 2011, 03:26 PM
  3. Obamacare And Horseowners
    By Frank B in forum Off Course
    Replies: 94
    Last Post: Sep. 26, 2010, 08:08 PM
  4. Replies: 30
    Last Post: Oct. 7, 2009, 11:05 AM
  5. Spinoff- how do you support your dressage hobby?
    By CatOnLap in forum Dressage
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: Jun. 13, 2008, 12:00 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •