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    I was accused of plagiarism in graduate school. We had 10 weeks to write a credible grant proposal on a subject NOT directly in our field of research. I wrote a really good one. Of course it was ridiculously referenced, since all future experiments were based on past published research results. We had to turn in our grant AND copies of all the references we used.

    I was really stuck on the intro--there are only so many ways to describe a CD19 molecule and it's currently known functions. Try as I might to change it up a bit, there's not a whole lot of different ways to state a few known facts. A large part of my grant was based on a not-yet-published paper that a group in England had given me (since this was in-house, and not going to be published or actually submitted outside of the program).

    Imagine my shock when they said I had plagiarized the work. I wasn't sure how they could call it that when I could EASILY have held back the unpublished work and no one would have known. Basically I was totally vindicated (and quickly) by the honor court at the university, but the damage was done as far as "tarnishing" my reputation. I even wound up leaving that program early because I just felt so let down by my program! (And there was a bit more to it that I won't get into for brevity). I totally would have passed the sit-down interview, though, I knew the stuff cold.

    The whole debacle was softened by the group in England offering me a job based on the work, though. In fact I sent it to them and they used some of my designs for future experiments and I was made a lesser author on the papers. Take that "the man", LOL.

    Anyway, I'm sure you will know within 10 minutes of reading the "outline" and discussing it with the student.
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    Good luck figuring out the truth. I personally found turnitin to be a little stupid, even when in school and not really as awesome as it was toted to be.

    That writing does seem a little implausible for the average 8th grader, but I'm sure you will be able to decide the verdict taking in all accounted information, not just the verbage and lack of prewrite I hope.


    Personally, I did borrow material for my university's honor thesis...but just happened to be from my high school's required senior composition paper which I wrote as a HS sophomore. Apparently it passed even university honor's thesis standard... But said paper was on the history of the Polish Arabian and was a little up my alley.



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    Dad writing it is plausible.

    However, I will say that when I was in college, my brother was in 10th?ish grade, and he had an absolutely horrible English teacher. I don't think she taught them anything the entire year. My brother was not a great student and hated English, especially that year. She had them do a huge thesis paper, which he wrote and I edited. I cleaned up his paragraphs, references, and just generally made it flow better. But he wrote it.

    She made a HUGE fuss, accused him of plagarism. He showed her all the books he'd checked out of the library as references, told her his sister edited it, and verbally backed up his entire paper. She tried to fail him anyway, trying to use the argument that the paper contained FORMATTING that she hadn't taught them (specifically the rule about indenting and off setting quotes longer than three lines by themselves). I LOL'd on that one. She didn't do her job and teach him how to do that, so there was no other way in the world he could have learned how to? Ha. Didn't work.
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    I've had luck Googling phrases and sentences. A couple of strategies that have been suggested at my college are: have the students write a pre-essay in class so that you know their capability and voice for future reference and have the students write the paper using Google Docs since that tracks changes.

    We got Turnitin this academic year and, while it isn't perfect, we have caught a few students (and probably missed some too). I think just having it is a deterrent, at least for some students. It's a bit tricky with lab reports since there is often only one way, or a very limited number of ways, to say something. This is exacerbated if you have lab partners with the same numerical data. So you have to apply it with a bit of common sense and not just look at the percentages. Well, that's true of a lot of things in life. There's some stuff (like two or more students who use the same, not quite right for the situation, word) that I'll often catch on my own, but not when tired and Turnitin sometimes helpfully finds those as part of a larger hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coanteen View Post
    That said, pre-writes used to irritate me. I avoided them at all costs; in Grade 8 I wouldn't have needed a pre-write to get a good grade (unless it was required and graded on its own, of course, hence the irritation - I actually produced retroactive "first drafts" for grading purposes). I used to be able to write first-draft-only essays as long as they were opinion/reflection-type pieces without extensive references. I tended to write "in my head" and putting a draft on paper interrupted that process for me.
    I was the same way. Often, teachers would want the first draft turned in at the same time as the final paper. I would write the entire paper to my satisfaction, then change some things or take a few parts out. I turned that one in as the draft. The traditional pre-writing activities just don't mesh with my style.


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    I was also accused of plagiarism my first year of college by my English teacher. It was the *third* time I had to read Oedipus Rex, so I was very familiar with the material. She read my paper out loud to the class after announcing that she thought this was plagiarized, so needless to say we started off on a bad note.

    This was years ago and I think the teacher spent the whole year trying to find what I copied from. The idea of her spending all her extra time trying to prove me a plagiarizer was a pleasant thought.


    I think the ideas in that essay are beyond most eighth graders' philosophical capacities, but the writing is not above average at all. I think she either googled and copied the concepts and "big words" or spoke with her father about them as the other teacher suggested.

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    Lack of pre writing sounds like me. Never plagiarized anything, but hated that stupid "write an outline, do a first draft" BS. I would write the paper, edit it, and be done. Just not how I write. Ad trust me, I could have written that paper in 8th grade. Perhaps her father inspired her, doesn't mean he wrote it. It sounds like your colleague (typical liberal teacher) has a problem with conservatives.

    On a related note, I always got in trouble for not showing work in math class. I did the work in my head, and not usually using the method that was taught, so couldn't show the work how they wanted to see it. I don't particularly like math, but approach it in my own way when necessary, and it works, but it was never additional math work. Constantly got accused of cheating, never did cheat though.

    My whole public school career left me with a huge distrust and dislike of the public education system in this country. From having a 5th grade teacher try to fail me without cause (provably so), to a 7th grade math teacher mocking and degrading me in class for something that was done TO me and not by me, I'll never put my future children in a public school.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dressurpferd01 View Post
    Lack of pre writing sounds like me. Never plagiarized anything, but hated that stupid "write an outline, do a first draft" BS. I would write the paper, edit it, and be done. Just not how I write. Ad trust me, I could have written that paper in 8th grade. Perhaps her father inspired her, doesn't mean he wrote it. It sounds like your colleague (typical liberal teacher) has a problem with conservatives.

    On a related note, I always got in trouble for not showing work in math class. I did the work in my head, and not usually using the method that was taught, so couldn't show the work how they wanted to see it. I don't particularly like math, but approach it in my own way when necessary, and it works, but it was never additional math work. Constantly got accused of cheating, never did cheat though.

    My whole public school career left me with a huge distrust and dislike of the public education system in this country. From having a 5th grade teacher try to fail me without cause (provably so), to a 7th grade math teacher mocking and degrading me in class for something that was done TO me and not by me, I'll never put my future children in a public school.
    wow....
    the OP states that the student has never produced anything in this manner before. We are not talking first assignment of the year. I think you can tell after reading a few pieces by a person how their style is, and when the style is clearly not their own.

    But I am feeling for you, considering how bitter school has made you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dressurpferd01 View Post
    Lack of pre writing sounds like me. Never plagiarized anything, but hated that stupid "write an outline, do a first draft" BS. I would write the paper, edit it, and be done. Just not how I write. Ad trust me, I could have written that paper in 8th grade. Perhaps her father inspired her, doesn't mean he wrote it. It sounds like your colleague (typical liberal teacher) has a problem with conservatives.

    On a related note, I always got in trouble for not showing work in math class. I did the work in my head, and not usually using the method that was taught, so couldn't show the work how they wanted to see it. I don't particularly like math, but approach it in my own way when necessary, and it works, but it was never additional math work. Constantly got accused of cheating, never did cheat though.

    My whole public school career left me with a huge distrust and dislike of the public education system in this country. From having a 5th grade teacher try to fail me without cause (provably so), to a 7th grade math teacher mocking and degrading me in class for something that was done TO me and not by me, I'll never put my future children in a public school.
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    If its not plagiarized, then she needs to provide references for the "facts" she has presented. If the statments in the essay are her opinions, then she should be able to answer a range of questions about her opinons and how she come to them. She should also have made it clear in the essay that these are her opinons and not written as if they are evidence based.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dressurpferd01 View Post
    Lack of pre writing sounds like me. Never plagiarized anything, but hated that stupid "write an outline, do a first draft" BS. I would write the paper, edit it, and be done. Just not how I write. Ad trust me, I could have written that paper in 8th grade. Perhaps her father inspired her, doesn't mean he wrote it. It sounds like your colleague (typical liberal teacher) has a problem with conservatives.

    On a related note, I always got in trouble for not showing work in math class. I did the work in my head, and not usually using the method that was taught, so couldn't show the work how they wanted to see it. I don't particularly like math, but approach it in my own way when necessary, and it works, but it was never additional math work. Constantly got accused of cheating, never did cheat though.

    My whole public school career left me with a huge distrust and dislike of the public education system in this country. From having a 5th grade teacher try to fail me without cause (provably so), to a 7th grade math teacher mocking and degrading me in class for something that was done TO me and not by me, I'll never put my future children in a public school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SerenaGinger View Post
    I was also accused of plagiarism my first year of college by my English teacher. It was the *third* time I had to read Oedipus Rex, so I was very familiar with the material. She read my paper out loud to the class after announcing that she thought this was plagiarized, so needless to say we started off on a bad note. !
    I dragged a teacher straight to a meeting with the principal and guidance counselor for that my freshman year in high school. Teacher "didn't believe" any student could write that well. I had hit the wall and I was FED UP. I could read and write at third grade level before I went to kindergarten. I did a book report on Podhajski in third grade, another on a socialist economics book in 5th grade, and was a published journalist by age 14 in regional and national magazines. The teachers in THAT school system knew all about me and knew darn well it WAS my own work but I changed school systems in jr. high and had to go through all the bullshit AGAIN, meetings w/ guidance counselors, testimony from prior teachers, digging out papers I'd written before, etc. etc. etc. Teachers, every so often you are GOING TO GET ONE that's like me, and you need to treat them with RESPECT, not drag them up in front of the class for a public humiliation.
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    Which is why it's so important to discuss a paper with a student before bringing up accusations . If they wrote it, obviously they're going to know it in a way that a student who did NOT write it is not.

    And pre-writing...is not just drafts and outlines. It's more the process of planning and research, because all writing (even fiction) is research. I teach research process, and teaching organization is one of the most important skills I want to impart. How many times have you had a quote and forgotten either to write down the book, author, or page, and had to go digging for them? Or the site and ended up googling them right before your paper is due? Come on, admit it . THAT kind of pre-writing and organization of ideas - the mapping to get paragraphs to flow and the organization that seems so tedious until it becomes second nature is NOT natural to all students. And we have all students in our class. If you don't need it, fine. But the person sitting next to you might.

    I don't care if what you turn in is a piece of notebook paper with your ideas jotted down on it, if what you turn in is consistently (and that word is important) brilliant. That takes 5 minutes, and won't hurt you very much. I know that my own writing is not consistently brilliant, and sometimes I'm glad to have learned tools that I honed on less demanding pieces when I'm working on a more difficult section of writing. I WILL outline a difficult technical section at times, just to make sure I've included everything the audience needs to know. It's a good skill to know that you need to do from time to time .



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    I would tread cautiously. The writing is not that exceptional (it seems stilted), and the ideas are not beyond the capabilities of a thirteen-year-old, in my opinion. I was never accused of plagiarism, but had an experience in eighth grade that left me with contempt for teachers. The abbreviated version (minus the expletives) is that I had poured my heart into writing an essay based on my family history, and the teacher questioned the authenticity of my experience. She gave me a B- (I was a straight A student) and made comments that were degrading. In hindsight, I can only imagine that she was having a really bad period. But, to an impressionable twelve-year-old, it hurt a lot, especially because I admired that teacher and had tried that much harder because I wanted her approval. The next year my parents sent me to private school, where I had some wonderful teachers, but by then I had convinced myself (out of self-preservation) that I was smarter than most teachers, and I was an arrogant little snit through high school. So, if this student plagiarized, I hope you are able to prove it. But what if this student simply tried that much harder this time?

    As far as an outline or first draft, I've never used an outline, and I have a graduate degree and law degree, and write long legal briefs. I compose everything on a computer, and any "first draft" disappears when I save the next draft.


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    I was brought to the principal with an accusation of cheating/plagiarism for a paper I wrote in English class my senior year of high school. She insisted I could not have possibly written it.

    What had really happened was that I hated high school and had a lot of issues out of school that - lets just say - kept me from focusing on my studies. I easily skipped half of my classes for the first two years. As a result of not applying myself and missing so much school, I had to take freshman English 3 times.

    My Sr year, a teacher took an interest in me and that made me become interested in school and start to apply myself. Despite the fact that I had managed to skip most of my educational experience from 7th grade on- I scored in the 98-99 percentile in all categories on those CAT's that they used to give in 9th grade. So I was no dummy.

    During my short period of interest, I wrote a kick ass paper and gave a presentation for my english class and that is when I got hauled to the principals office. The one time I actually applied myself, I was accused of having someone else do my work. As you can imagine, my interest in school abruptly ended. I drew a lot less attention to myself skipping school.

    It was not until I was 24 that I finally got serious about college, after many false starts. I used to wonder if I would have been more successful earlier if I had some support and recognition for the fact that I was pretty damn bright rather than being accused of cheating.


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    Which is why I say if you can't prove it you can't accuse. Keep it to yourself and grade the paper fairly.

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    My strongest subjects all through my education have been english, lit, and writing techniques, and I've never been accused of plagiarism. However, this brings me back to my college freshman english class where the professor took issue with my first draft, telling me that I had to dumb it down because while everything I had written was correct, it was too sophisticated for her to barely understand, let alone the other students in the class. I transferred shortly after...

    But back to the point, the fact that your student didn't turn in her prework as required is the first red flag for me. However, finding out if she actually had done the prework orginally might be a little hard - if you give her until the next day to bring it in, I have no doubt she or her parents will probably take a few hours to create it if she has been dishonest to begin with. Perhaps in the future you might require them to turn the prework in in stages for you to look at and initial, and then let them proceed to writing the final paper.

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    Which is why I say if you can't prove it you can't accuse. Keep it to yourself and grade the paper fairly.

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    I have to agree. The two paragraphs you gave us does not appear out of the realm of an 8th grader to me, but perhaps that just because of my experience when it comes to writing papers. I would tread very carefully because, while it does seem unlikely, if it does end up with the paper being solely your student's work, her parents might complain to your department head.
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    I wouldn't put it past her father to have written the essay for her. My mother (an English major) does it for my youngest sister all the time. She is horrible at writing - I think she's lazy... but I digress- but plays Varsity sports so she has to maintain the proper GPA, my parents worry that if she stops playing sports she'll fall into a downward spiral (It didn't work, she's in rehab now..). Mom just writes all her essays for her, and has since her 5th grade year. I don't know why her teachers don't call her out on it, so good for you for not shuffling it to the side!
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    Not a qualified teacher here but have written many many essays in my time, and the phrasing seems really out of place to me. The first paragraph is really disjointed (doesn't rephrase the question or really present a "thesis statement", reader has no idea what the subject of the essay is by the end) & awkwardly written. 2nd one is much better. I hope the essay went on to explore other avenues to explain lack of patriotism otherwise the whole thing would have been extremely biased. Even persuasive essays need to explain the opposing viewpoint, if only to prove it false.

    I think Dad probably helped A LOT, and may have written parts of especially the 2nd paragraph himself.

    FWIW we always discuss essay topics like this with our parents, and my Dad is a great editor but he doesn't write the whole thing for us. There is a difference.
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    You know this student's writing better than we do, so while it could conceivably be done by an eighth grader, maybe not by THIS eighth grader. I agree with the previous poster that the second paragraph is much better than the first...maybe student started the paper and Dad stepped in to finish it.

    The argument in general, however, sounds awfully cynical, and very politically driven, for a 13/14 year old.



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