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    Quote Originally Posted by EqTrainer View Post
    Surely she knew after the first one how it happens...

    But wow, two planned parenthoods and thats it. No sex ed in school, I imagine. No mom telling her the way it works and what can be done. Again, aieeee.
    She grew up Mormon. That should explain it all.


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    she may have grown up Mormon, but she knew well enough to get her sister to get her TWO types of drugs that would cause an abortion.

    This girl is not a poster child for legalizing abortions or abortion meds, she is a poster child for stupid.


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    Even going to a Catholic elementary school, we had sex ed including contraception. And even without sex ed there was still biology class before the highschool level.



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    But for many young girls their knowledge is limited. As a parent you can opt out of all sex education for your children in Calif. Clearly those cultures who feel that "education" is against their beliefs do opt out and the results are unintended pregnancies. Society needs to fill the gap.


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    So sad. Knowledge is power.
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    Menstrual extraction is simple and much safer than coat hangers and the like. I predict a rise in the more medical aspects of DIY healthcare.



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    Well I thought I was pretty well educated on contraception options, and then had a scare. I did some homework (bedsider.org is an EXCELLENT resource, run by a non-profit) and discovered that the "typical use" (= Joe Schmo) effectiveness of male condoms is only 82%!! That's about 1 out of every 5 times that there's some potential mistake! Blew my mind and changed my perspective on accidental pregnancies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kateh View Post
    Well I thought I was pretty well educated on contraception options, and then had a scare. I did some homework (bedsider.org is an EXCELLENT resource, run by a non-profit) and discovered that the "typical use" (= Joe Schmo) effectiveness is only 82%!! That's 1 out of every 5 times that there's some potential mistake! Blew my mind and changed my perspective on accidental pregnancies.
    Yes. And even with perfect use nothing is 100%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kateh View Post
    Well I thought I was pretty well educated on contraception options, and then had a scare. I did some homework (bedsider.org is an EXCELLENT resource, run by a non-profit) and discovered that the "typical use" (= Joe Schmo) effectiveness of male condoms is only 82%!! That's about 1 out of every 5 times that there's some potential mistake! Blew my mind and changed my perspective on accidental pregnancies.
    Okay, super serial question - what potential mistakes can one possibly make?

    Condoms seem pretty idiot proof to me. Same thing with the pill - you take it every day at the same time. Barring some hormonal coup or condom breakage, you shouldn't get pregnant, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
    Okay, super serial question - what potential mistakes can one possibly make?

    Condoms seem pretty idiot proof to me. Same thing with the pill - you take it every day at the same time. Barring some hormonal coup or condom breakage, you shouldn't get pregnant, right?
    Condoms can have leaks. The pill is only, even with perfect use, like 96% effective. Not positive on that number but its not 100%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EqTrainer View Post
    Condoms can have leaks. The pill is only, even with perfect use, like 96% effective. Not positive on that number but its not 100%.
    Yes, but I think the 4% "risk" is ovulating and not a 4% chance of pregnancy.

    However, BC pills also require correct usage as well. eg taking the pill at the exact same time every day and making sure no medications that interfere with the pill (eg. some antibiotics).



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    Quote Originally Posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
    Okay, super serial question - what potential mistakes can one possibly make?

    Condoms seem pretty idiot proof to me. Same thing with the pill - you take it every day at the same time. Barring some hormonal coup or condom breakage, you shouldn't get pregnant, right?
    I know, right? In my case it was a breakage, which thank god Boy knew to check for because even small breakages can mean trouble. But for example, did you know you should check for air bubbles after putting it on? Or that how he pulls out can affect effectiveness? These are things I didn't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
    Read to me like it was closer to six total pregnancies. Yikes.

    No matter what she may say now, there's no way one has six pregnancies if one is using any form of BC correctly. You'd think she would have figured something out long before she reached the point that she did.

    All of this is probably beside the point, though...
    This is bollocks. The only way you find out that birth control doesn't work is pregnancy. Six fails versus the times she probably had sex..meh.

    I, and many other women, found this out the hard way. BC is not 100% at any time, even if used correctly. For some women, myself included, hormonal BC will never work correctly our bodies override the hormones. Of course, to discover that one has to use it and have it fail then try another sort and have that fail
    Drs love me, and a few others I'm in touch with, ...my case is 'interesting' *rolls eyes* 'Interesting' for them, life-changing for me. What works is sterilization.


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    Yeah, that sucks. And there are always exceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stolen virtue View Post
    My daughter takes classes with girls who do not know how babies are made and we live in a very progressive area. Cultural limitations allow young girls to fall through the cracks. I have considered taking my daughter out of her highschool but I am on the fence since real life includes every cultural idea, regardless of the lack of science.

    It is sad however, and my daughter is very baffled how any 15 year old does not understand basic biology...
    Because their parents do not allow the girls to take classes that discuss things like that. I know a girl whos parents are like that and still call a penis cuitsie names like 'talliewager' and her vagina her 'nono'. What is a girl to do when her parents are to blame and have to sheltered her all of her life and led her to believe that around every corner there is someone ready to either snatch her off the street or molest her. They have her scared stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
    Okay, super serial question - what potential mistakes can one possibly make?

    ?
    fake or mispackaged brith control pills sure can cause an issue

    http://healthland.time.com/2012/02/2...ills-recalled/



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    I doubt the issue is that women don't understand that you get pregnant from having sex...but more likely the issue of the timing. My dh's aunt once told me "and when we figured it all out, we had 6 kids!" Now, I know she was kidding to some degree, but I think there is some truth there, too.

    It wasn't until we were trying to get pregnant that the "finer details" of reproduction became clear to me. Not everyone operates on a 28 day schedule, and I think most of us sort of grew up thinking about that timetable as being pretty accurate. I remember thinking, wow, crap, I could have gotten pregnant a lot by accident if I hadn't learned this! Even the OBs office uses a calendar that pegs your ovulation on day 14 (and I remember telling my OB, no, that's not right) but they still do the pregnancy math based on that.

    Also, through fertility treatment, I also found out that I didn't respond to certain fertility drugs/hormones like "most" women. Which made me wonder how many women don't respond "typically" to birth control, either. I wonder, for example if the low dose "mini-pills" might not be enough hormone to prevent them from ovulating, but they don't know it? How would you know unless you got pregnant or someone did bloodwork?

    Anyway, I agree that this woman should not necessarily be the poster child for women's reproductive rights, but I do think that there are a LOT of girls out there who really don't "know" what's going on with their bodies. I have done a fair amount of "sex ed" with my girls but still, I don't think they really get how it all works yet (11 and 14) other than the basics....but I do want them to know more, eventually - both as a way of getting pregnant when they want to, and to prevent getting pregnant when they don't.



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    This is partially why I firmly believe in using two methods.

    Part of the problem with kids is that they have a "it won't happen to me" mentality. I see it all the time where I teach. It's sad because it's such a hard barrier to break through. We lost a former student due to texting and driving and I guarantee you some of them still do it for various reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
    Interesting article, and I absolutely agree with you that abortions should be far more accessible.

    However, that Jennie McCormack girl sounds like a complete and utter moron.
    And this is really why it is such a bad idea to make abortion hard to obtain. There are plenty of people out there with functioning reproductive systems and not so functional brains....

    The article was interesting and refreshing in its thoroughness.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
    No matter what she may say now, there's no way one has six pregnancies if one is using any form of BC correctly. You'd think she would have figured something out long before she reached the point that she did.
    The guys should have probably figured it out, too. It takes two to tango.
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