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    What is the case in New Jersey that folks are referring to??



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    Ms. Tucker is one of the most ethical attorneys around and anything to the contrary is false. I have 9 attorneys in various states working together. Some known to the public and some unknown to the public. Mr. I. Blakely Johnstone III is one of my attorneys representing me in New Jersey.

    What amazes me is that all of you missed the boat on an important fact. The USEF is the National Governing Body of the United States Olympic Committee for our sport. By temporarily suspending me, and all AHF athletes, they violated my due process rights under the Ted Stevens Olympic Athlete and Amateur Act as well as not following the USOC's Due Process Check list.

    Should the USEF, without a hearing, be allowed to temporarily suspend a trainer or any athletes. By definition of the act, all of my horses are athletes covered by the act.

    When Mr Long lifted the suspension, he stated "The time for that temporary situation has now been lifted, as a result of the fact that we have not discovered anything that would lead us to believe that this could be adjudicated in the hearing process,"

    Mr. Long would not have lifted the suspension and to the contrary the USEF would have enjoined in the protest if he thought there was any wrongdoing.

    The temporary suspension, which is a violation of a USEF members rights, sets a troubling precedent for all members of USEF. Professional members are at risk of losing their livelihood based upon a single, powerful individual taking as true the allegations of an unsubstantiated protest, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that no rule violations have occurred and that no safety threat exists.

    My lawyers are dealing with this issue separately and the USOC has been acting as an intermediary between my attorneys and the USEF as they were the ones who lit a fire under the USEF when, against USEF rules, they withheld the hearing transcripts from my attorneys and myself and assisted us in expediting the USEF to release the dismissal rulings.

    When subpoena's are issued, they will come from Mr. Johnstone III's firm as has all other complaints served upon individuals.
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    The Original and Amended Complaint (keep scrolling) can be viewed on the following link.

    http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/userfi...MotionRMHP.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Limerick View Post
    What is the case in New Jersey that folks are referring to??
    Isn't she suing the person who initiated the USEF protest against her?

    Edited: apparently she is suing ratemyhorsepro and other unnamed horseshowdiva forum participants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carroal View Post
    I agree leasing is a great option and often a lifesaver. However, doesn't a horse have to qualify in the hunter divisions for Devon? Even if not, the practice of leasing a pre-qualified horse for Devon or pony finals is a part of this story.
    The HORSE accumulates points to qualify for Devon in the pony hunters. Just the horse. Not the horse/rider combo. So someone else (or several other riders) can accumulate the points to qualify and a new rider can ride the horse at Devon. This happens very routinely for lots of reasons. Kid outgrows the horse mid-year, kid qualifies more ponies than she can take, pony goes out on long-term lease mid-year, pro-pilot racks up the points just so the pony can be leased out for Devon, pony is for sale and they want a pro jock to show it, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Helpus View Post
    Tammy Tucker, you might want to review legal ethics. You are not the attorney of record in the NJ case to which you make reference. By implying that you are Ms. Mandinaro's attorney, you are representing that you have the authority to subpoena people in that or any other case in NJ.

    Ms. Pam Mahoney, Are you accusing me of posing as an attorney? That is quite an accusation. As an attorney yourself you must know that is against the law. I suggest you retract your unfounded accusation immediately unless you have proof of the same. If anyone is unethical here, it is you!

    A review of the NJ Bar Association list of members shows that you are not licensed to practice in that state.

    Perhaps Ms. Tucker should limit her statements to those which are fully accurate; and not make comments which will potentially subject her to an ethics review by the only Bar Association of which she is a member -- the Virginia Bar.

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    Upon rereading the above post it seems more believable that Ms. Tucker, knowing her ethical responsibility and valuing her status as a member of the Virginia Bar Association, is not the person who wrote it. I am willing to give Ms. Tucker the benefit of the doubt that she is a hard working, conscientious lawyer whose name has been used by Ms. Mandarino without her permission or knowledge.
    Ms. Pam Mahoney, Are you accusing me of posing as an attorney? You must know as an atty yourself that this is against the law. That is quite the accusation. I suggest you IMMEDIATELY retract the accusation unless you have proof to support your claim. You have been so advised.
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    Good Lord. Step one for getting yourself out of a hole. STOP DIGGING! By your own admission you gave an injection that "accidentally put the pony down" or something to that effect. That much we know as fact. The rest we will never know. It's over and done with and the sooner you shut up the sooner you stop digging.


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    Quite the opposite. I was grief stricken and thought I had hit the carotid artery until I found out that Humble had a lung condition unbeknownst to myself or my veterinarian. It was a normal reaction to have as a human being who loved her pony. The necropsy performed by New Bolton follows the track of the needle and I did not go anywhere near the carotid artery. Not that that made me feel any better about my loss as Emma and I were both grief stricken. We had the necropsy reviewed by 6 vets/pathologists, they came to the following conclusion that there was some underlying lung disease in Humble.
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    So please tell us what was in the syringe so we can all be sure that our beloved horses are not inadvertently killed by the injection of an otherwise safe substance. What if my horse has an undiagnosed lung condition? I don't want him dropping dead when I give him his pre-show injections.
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    I do not believe that for a second, but threatening to sue everyone and their dog doesn't change anything, it just makes you look guilty and keeps it foremost in our minds. Seriously, let it go.


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    What was in the needle??


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    In light of the aggressive legal pursuit (harassment?) of people even remotely connected to the case, I just have to mention that I have great admiration for Ms. Williams. I don't know her, I've never met her, and I've never heard anything else about her, but I admire her for not being afraid to speak up when she saw something wrong happening. I think that without her protest and her eyewitness account, the incident in question might have been swept under the rug like other similar incidents that have occurred before it, and that the NYT article never could have been written. If people who write on bulletin boards and websites are being targeted by the person accused, then I can only speculate what Ms. Williams has had to deal with as a result of speaking up.

    I'd like to think that most of us would would unhesitatingly speak up and/or file a protest if we saw someone breaking the rules, especially in an abusive or dangerous manner. However, the decision to speak up is complicated when doing so puts yourself at risk for harassment or an expensive lawsuit.


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    if you had someone accuse you of injecting your pony with llegal drugs and were temporarily suspended bc of her unsupported protest and crucified publicly, you would do the same.

    It was an IV injection of legends which many high level trainers give 2 to 4 hours out before a major hack. Especially if you have one that has a chance at a ribbon. This is all in the complaint.

    And Humble was examined 1 month prior to Devon for the competition and the veterinarian who examined him gave him the green light.

    Walk a day in my shoes, after my daughter lost a year of her riding career... you wouldnt let it go either. And I will NOT let it go as two false protests were filed against me and I was wrongly accused. My attorneys have strking orders and have been told to aggressively defend me.
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    I don't believe that either but suing people won't change anything. It makes you look guilty!


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    Quote Originally Posted by amberhill View Post
    It was an IV injection of legends which many high level trainers give 2 to 4 hours out before a major hack. Especially if you have one that has a chance at a ribbon. This is all in the complaint.
    In all the years I've been doing this, I've never heard of ANYONE giving Legend (not "legends", sic) 2 hours out from a hack. If you knew the first thing about the drugs you are injecting in your ponies, you'd know that the effectiveness of Legend peaks somewhere around 36-48 hours after administration and remains at that peak until around 96 hours.


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    I wouldn't inject anything to win...but then again that is me. GEESH

    I can't believe that people have gotten to a place where they think it is just fine to inject at will. The only times my horses get injections is when they are:

    A. Sick
    B. Getting their vacinations.

    I have ridden hunters and trained all my own horses to the A circuit and have never been soo appalled that people think this is ok.

    I just wish you would realize that the money you make is through these animals and if you truly love them you will let them lose graciously now and again rather than trying soo hard to get the upper edge.

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    If she sued the Pope and WON, I still wouldn't believe the story as presented. I imagine I am not in the minority. But the general public has a short memory, you just have to give us a chance to forget.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeHoney View Post
    In light of the aggressive legal pursuit (harassment?) of people even remotely connected to the case, I just have to mention that I have great admiration for Ms. Williams. I don't know her, I've never met her, and I've never heard anything else about her, but I admire her for not being afraid to speak up when she saw something wrong happening. I think that without her protest and her eyewitness account, the incident in question might have been swept under the rug like other similar incidents that have occurred before it, and that the NYT article never could have been written. If people who write on bulletin boards and websites are being targeted by the person accused, then I can only speculate what Ms. Williams has had to deal with as a result of speaking up.

    I'd like to think that most of us would would unhesitatingly speak up and/or file a protest if we saw someone breaking the rules, especially in an abusive or dangerous manner. However, the decision to speak up is complicated when doing so puts yourself at risk for harassment or an expensive lawsuit.
    As a pony mom, I want to thank Ms. Williams as well. I can't imagine how the Humble saga has affected the sport for her and her daughter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurierace View Post
    I don't believe that either but suing people won't change anything. It makes you look guilty!
    I have already been proved innocent and again if the USEF took Ms. Williams or Ms. Marks protest seriously, they would have enjoined the protest. They did not which speaks VOLUMES!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Limerick View Post
    As a pony mom, I want to thank Ms. Williams as well. I can't imagine how the Humble saga has affected the sport for her and her daughter.
    That is a giant problem. One should not have to give their name or their money to file a complaint. It only encourages people to turn a blind eye.


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