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    Both my CI babies were very tall ( 17+), and very athletic. One did not care for open spaces and will be an eq horse. The other is going to the jumpers. The owners wanted more $ than they could get for an event horse


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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly Malone View Post
    And let us not forget that Halimey Go was purchased for Michael Pollard and is currently in quarantine in FL........
    I was not aware of this, that's exciting! I found this video of him cross country; looks like a great little cross country horse!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx8T4XSCybo



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    He's also got a great deal of blood to offer as his sire is an Anglo Arab and there's a fair bit of xx in the dam line - Credit to Maren Englehardt for this info on Halimey Go

    Performance history:
    Halimey Go was bred and is stationed in Germany. He was approved in Neumünster in 2007 as the best Anglo‐Trakehner colt, and with
    a premium title. In 2009, he was the Champion of his 70 day test in Marbach with top scores for both his dressage and jumping
    (including cross country) performances.
    As a 5yr old, he immediately qualified for the Bundeschampionat of the German Event Horse. He proceeded into the finals, where he
    placed 10th over all. Again as a 6yr old, he qualified for the same event.
    Performance highlights to date:


    2012 (7yr old):
    CIC* ‐ intern. Laintal/Austria – 3rd (Gero Wallenberger) D=47, 2nd, added 6.8 time xc, final 53.8
    Young Dressage Horse class, 3rd level, Kreuth – 2nd, 74% (Julia Mestern)
    3rd/4th level dressage (M*) Kreuth – 2nd, 70% (Julia Mestern)


    2011 (6yr old):
    Young Dressage Horse class, 3rd level, Kreuth – 2nd, 74% (Julia Mestern)
    3rd/4th level dressage (M*) Kreuth – 2nd (Julia Mestern)
    CIC* ‐ intern. Vienna/Austria – 1st (Julia Mestern) D=48.3, 2nd, added 4 in SJ, final 52.3
    CIC* ‐ intern. Salgen/Germany – 2nd (Julia Mestern) final 42.8
    CIC* ‐ intern. Schwaiganger/Germany – 12th (Julia Mestern) D=40, 6th, added 12 SJ, final 52.1
    Young Event Horse class (preliminary level) Magdalenenhof/Germany – 1st, 80% (Julia Mestern)
    Young Event Horse class (preliminary level) Schwaiganger/Germany – 6th, 77% (Julia Mestern)
    Young Show Jumper class (1.30m) Schwaiganger/Germany – 4th, 78% (Julia Mestern)
    Young Event Horse class (preliminary level) Schwaiganger/Germany – 1st, 90% (Julia Mestern)


    2010 (5yr old):
    Young Show Jumper class (1.15m) Schwaiganger/Germany – 2nd, 72% (Robert Sirch)
    Young Show Jumper class (1.25m) Schwaiganger/Germany – 4th, 73% (Robert Sirch)
    Bundeschampionat Qualification Dachau/Germany – 2nd (Robert Sirch)
    Young Show Jumper class (1.15m) Ohlstadt/Germany – 9th (Robert Sirch)
    Young Event Horse class (training level) Schwaiganger/Germany – 1st, 85% (Robert Sirch)
    Young Show Jumper class (1.15m) Schwaiganger/Germany – 76%, 4th (Robert Sirch)
    Young Event Horse class (training level) Thierhaupten/Germany – 1st, 87% (Robert Sirch)


    2009 (4yr old):
    Riding Horse class Sauersberg/Germany – 1st, 80% (Friederike Schulz‐Wallner)
    Young Show Jumper class (1.15m) Sauersberg/Germany – 9th, 68% (Christoph Göbel)
    Riding Horse Suitability class (with jumps) Schwaiganger/Germany – 4th, 70% (Christoph Göbel)





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    This horse looks like the real deal - and after their year, its nice to see the Pollard's getting quality horses back in the barn



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    Quote Originally Posted by omare View Post
    FWIW some of the trakehner stallions mentioned will be in the annual ATA stallion auction. :-)
    Correct you are Omare! Stallions participating with proven eventing (Prelim or above) offspring include: Abdullah *Pg*E*, Incantare, Sea Accounts xx, Stiletto *Ps*, Titulus *Pb*, Tzigane *Pb* and Windfall *Pg*.

    SSA participating stallions that have evented @ Prelim or higher themselves: Abdullah *Pg*E*, Ballzauber, Inamorato, Incantare, Sea Accounts xx, Sea Lion xx, Special Memories *Pg*, Stiletto *Ps*, Tagaelen, Tatendrang, Tradition *Pb*, Tzigane *Pb*, Virginian Sky and Windfall.

    Apologies to any stallions or offspring missed or misplaced - this list has grown tremendously in the past few years (a nice commentary on the breed's re-emergence in the sport).

    The link for "SSA window shopping" will go active mid-January; SSA takes place Feb 1st - 14th, 2013.
    Owner of ATA and Verband-Approved Trakehner stallion, Tzigane *Pb*, breeder of ATA-approved Semper Fidelis

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    Default Concerto Grosso and Cicera's Icewater

    Time for me to chime in as I am the owner of Concerto Grosso and as a owner four Cicera's Icewaters.

    I bred my imported Voltaire-bred Selle Francais mare to CI almost 9 years ago because his dam, Cicera, is a full sister to one of the top producers of 4* event horsein the world, the Irish Cavalier Royale (SF-Hol)., I was looking to produce eventers that could also be successful in the jumper ring if they didn't like the wide open spaces.

    My gelding, Cappuccino Ice, the eldest of three, moved up to Preliminary at the Virginia Horse Trials with my daughter and was part of the winning Adult Team Championship Preliminary Team, Movin' On Up. He is a dream to have, but I will say, he has a spook in him when hacking out that could unseat the best rider in the world who wasn't prepared for it. He is one of the few horses I have ever owned that my daughter's trainers say is a professional ride.

    She rode with Denny E. last March and asked him when he thought she should move him up to Preliminary, and he told her when Training was easypeasy. Her biggest problem with him was that he would jump her out of the tack at the spooky jumps and then run away on cross country. We sent him to Jason Berry in August so he could ride him in the jumpers at Culpeper HITS for two weeks straight learning how to be a gentleman. We then sent him to our vet's husband, Thorston Kramer, a Grand Prix dressage trainer, for some flat work. It all worked. Jason wanted to keep him for the jumpers and Thorston had him ready for the piaffe! We discovered that for bits, less was better. Loose nose band, fat plastic eggbutt in dressage and a Waterford for jumping.

    My daughter will be taking Cappuccino Ice and his two sisters to Ocala next week. Our hope is that Chino will be ready for Intermediate by the end of the winter season and the two girls learning the ropes in the lower levels.

    We bred Concerto Grosso (who by the way is 1/4 Thoroughbred through his maternal grandsire, Koenigspark xx) to both of Chino's sisters. I think the cross is great as CG settles down the spook of the C.I. blood and levels out the movement in front. My fourth Cicera's Icewater is out of a Merano-Landgraf. None of my Icewater babies is over 16 hands including this one whose dam is a monster 17hands. The Concerto Grosso cross on the fourth CI produced a very light, balanced filly who was the Reserve Champion foal at the 2012 Dressage at Lexington show.

    I think some breeders make the mistake of breeding their light boned mare to a big stallion with tons of bone, not considering or knowing what those bloodlines might produce. I think Concerto will produce an above average sized foal with refinement if the maternal grandsire is not too coarse. CG was bred to several big mares this season and it won't bother me if they are big as well. I have yet to see one that isn't really, really athletic.

    You can see photos of the Cicera Icewater and Concerto Grosso offspring on my web site below.

    Rosemarie Merle-Smith
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    Default Concerto Grosso and Cicera's Icewater

    I forgot to mention that both boys have and produce huge, ground covering, uphill balanced canter strides that one needs to make the time needed for todays cross country courses.

    For your enjoyment, a video of Concerto Grosso's 1/2 brother, Calle Cool, winning the 2012 Hamburg Derby, reputed to be one of the toughest tracks in the world.

    http://youtu.be/CTtQJuj5Ir0



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    The original poster asked does Roc USA have any foals out eventing. I am not aware of any that are currently competing. That being said, we did breed a few mares for a few of the O'Connors clients. Those foals are only yearlings, maybe two year olds this year.

    I am certainly not a guru on eventing breeding, but I do think Roc is the right type to produce eventing horses, especially when bred to a tb mare. These foals are fast, brave and want to please.
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    Great info, thanks! I know my German friend likes to see Grundyman xx in a pedigree - for both riding horses & broodmares, which says a lot as her breeding decisions for auction vs future breeding stock vs the sport horse can vary greatly. Nobility & 'makes a good riding horse' were the exact words. Which makes Carracci another interesting possibility, he sure looks game.

    CG is a cool horse, particularly well-suited to a nice TB mare for sport, and will make a very good broodmare, IMO of course. Just a tad photogenic, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajimom View Post
    I am certainly not a guru on eventing breeding, but I do think Roc is the right type to produce eventing horses, especially when bred to a tb mare. These foals are fast, brave and want to please.
    Brave, wanting to please - all very useful stuff, because a talented chicken can be a heartbreaker. Look at Mandiba. Sometimes they can get over fear of open spaces, but, you really have to love them & see something in them...I own one of these. Thankfully he's a rock xc now(and was always brave o/f), but, still not a horse I enjoy hacking in new surroundings. Its important to discuss lines that might lend towards backwards-thinking or open-spacce issues when breeding the event-horse.



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    Quote Originally Posted by goodmorning View Post
    Brave, wanting to please - all very useful stuff, because a talented chicken can be a heartbreaker. Look at Mandiba. Sometimes they can get over fear of open spaces, but, you really have to love them & see something in them...I own one of these. Thankfully he's a rock xc now(and was always brave o/f), but, still not a horse I enjoy hacking in new surroundings. Its important to discuss lines that might lend towards backwards-thinking or open-spacce issues when breeding the event-horse.
    SO true! My boy is going to be 5 this year (he's by Sempatico) and from the time he was little he was brave and loved to take off galloping through the pastures and jumping the irrigation ditches. When he was 3 we did a lot of trail riding alone. So in 2012 when we started eventing, he had no issues with it. He LOVES the open spaces and nothing much phases him - going out hacking alone not an issue either. He prefers being brave in the open to being in the arena, and I love cantering him around the bridle paths on our rolling hills. He's not hot at all (I've had that before in an OTTB) and best of all, he's HONEST.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSHEventing View Post
    It is just a shame Lotus T is so tall! Most of my mares that I've had are 16.2+ and I I've seen Lotus T throw size, I just don't want that size....

    Same issue that I had with him. Lovely stallion, just not the right fit for my mares (one who is already 17.2 and another whose first baby is HUGE). He might work for the newest TB mare though.....just hate that I would be certain to get a chestnut filly


    Love my Grafenstolz colt out of a TB mare. I will be repeating the cross. Would love to get a hold of some semen from Royaldik.

    I watched the Jaguar Mail son out of Headley Britinnia at the YEH championships at Burghley. He was nice. Not super big but they had kept him a stallion. So perhaps JM isn't producing the monster sized foals I was worried he would but Headley Britinnia was not a very big mare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by horsetales View Post
    I just saw Deny mention Beaulieu`s Quissini. A lot of TB in the pedigree. His half sister, Victoria (same dam, Cathleen) just won a Grand Prix in Wellington. His sire, World`s leading jumper sire, Quidam De Revel, sired Boyd Martin`s Olympic 3-day horse, Otis Barbotiere
    I have a catherston Liberator granddaughter (by Freedom Z) that I would love to an embryo transfer with Beaulieu`s Quissini. I believe he is in Quebec and Denny is part owner - speaks very highly of him, has a couple babies by him and has posted some awesome pics of him on facebook



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    Jaguar Mail - and Alligator Fontaine, who I personally find slightly more appealing u/s - are both lovely with lots of blood. I do prefer JMs bloodlines, but, he reminds me a bit of the horse I have in my field, as opposed to the next generation.

    Navarone has produced at least 1 ***/**** horse. They tend to be pretty jumpers, he himself has a wonderful hind-end, and should produce a horse capable to do dressage (I've seen him do UL dressage). Very workmanlike & mannerly; whenever I've seen him go I get the impression 'no' isn't in his vocabulary.



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    Edelweiss de Bonce is another one who seems under used in the USA. Crossed on a mare with some blood, I bet he will produce an UL event horse. He has the jump in his pedigree and seems to have and pass on a lovely mind.
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    **someone famous once said:
    A spectacular horse is a horse who can work at 70% and still be better than the rest of the competitors**

    I never really planned on breeding--
    but after riding Harry Houdini for a year I went and bought a TB broodmare specifically for Tzigane *Pb* because I liked his offspring so much.
    Fab brains on those kids.

    My 2012 filly is no exception. She's brilliant.
    And when I do get to see her trot her movement renders me breathless.
    She reflects the above statement. She does not try to show off--she just is.

    In fact--I think the stats were: 3 foals received 9s on gaits this year via ATA inspection. 2 of the 3 were Taz babies.

    His eventing kids are doing very very well.
    Harry Houdini is one of them.
    Sara's dad has a (4?) year old (just approved as a stallion via ATA).
    Kyle Carter has one.
    Harry Houdini's full sister is scheduled to go directly to a BNT as soon as she is big enough to be started..
    Mateo is a lovely fellow who is (I believe) currently for sale. I also believe I read that he won his 1st 2 outs at Prelim...
    The oldest in our area has been with a junior show jumper the past few years. He's a awesome.

    Taz kids are cool, calm and kick ass.
    I like their attitude. They are top competitors but are really quiet about it. They aren't rude like a lot of cocky athletes. They quietly go in--dish out a can of whoop ass--and leave the arena just as quietly. Like it was no big deal--cause being awesome is easy.

    My best bud has one out of a TB/Shire mare. The resulting foal is really really nice even with the off breed of brood mare.

    I think I have some pics:
    oh here is Harry as a late 4 y/o (technically 5 tho) at his first show jumping schooling show! I did this right before moving him up to T level.
    Scope much??
    http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...jumpershow.jpg

    here is me riding the TB/Shire -- her 1st bank education (owner was prego at the time so I rode)
    http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p.../prestige1.jpg
    She jumps with her knees higher than her nose...

    these horses also have a really easy riding gallop. Very self propelled--sit back and smoke a cigarette kind of run.
    http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p189/xckaboom/a.jpg

    my kid at 6 months.
    http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...oom/swanky.jpg

    I think the Tzigane has a lot going for him. He just doesn't have enough offspring out there with records just yet.
    Good amount of blood in his pedigree as well. And he mixes spectacularly with TB mares.
    Something about the Ramzes old blood recognizing new TB blood and really producing something brilliant.

    I really wanted a Roc USA baby too but with Taz producing such superior offspring it would be stupid to use another stallion for future babies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
    Edelweiss de Bonce is another one who seems under used in the USA. Crossed on a mare with some blood, I bet he will produce an UL event horse. He has the jump in his pedigree and seems to have and pass on a lovely mind.
    I bred this mare http://www.pedigreequery.com/catch+the+bouquet2 to Edelweiss and got a lovely filly who will be two in April. She is a very pretty filly that takes after her dam a good bit and is freaky dead quiet. She is going to be a big girl, easily 17 hands and impresses everyone who meets her with her sweet temperament and good manners.


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    Quote Originally Posted by purplnurpl View Post

    I never really planned on breeding--
    but after riding Harry Houdini for a year I went and bought a TB broodmare specifically for Tzigane *Pb* because I liked his offspring so much.
    Fab brains on those kids.

    My 2012 filly is no exception. She's brilliant.
    And when I do get to see her trot her movement renders me breathless.
    She does not try to show off--she just is.
    Thanks Kristen. So glad the Hou found you when he did. You made eventing a game for him and it still is. Because of a variety of starts & stops Sara wound up having to do a CIC* and CIC** in 3wks to squeeze in her qualifications for the World Championships for Young Event Horses (7yo's) @ Mondial du Lion. She was very worried she was asking too much but said he got better & better as he went around Bad Harzburg (**) and at the end was so confident and proud of himself!

    You're right about him having only a few competing so far but those out there - coming out this year - are doing very well.

    Herzmond (2004) - won 1.25M Jumpers and 6yo Young Jumper Championships @ Lamplight & Ledges in the Chicago area (A and AA-rated). Leased to a JR since 2011 he's heading to FL and the A circuit this month.

    Harry Houdini (2005) - a CIC** international competitor; goal is the CCI** @ Rebecca Farm in July and likely an Advanced to end the year. Full brother to Herzmond.

    Zigana (2005) - the flying shire! Out of a TB/Shire dam agree w/Kristen on the knees o/f - maybe the best jumping form I've seen outside of pony classes. Owner's ultimate goal was Training (dam did GAG and BN) which they did @ a Schooling show in Nov. and are gonna go for it @ a rated HT in 2013.

    Sayyida (2006) Kyle Carter co-owns with Tenant Sporthorses. Xena moved up to Prelim in December '12 w/a super D score and clear xc in one of the fastest times of the day. Expect her to do her first CIC* this spring.

    Mateo (2006) - won his first 2 Prelim outings last fall on his Dressage score (27.4 in the last one). Owner showed him thru Training but he's going much further so is for regretfully for sale. Julie Wolfert rode him to both wins @ Prelim and expect she'll try him @ FEI before he sells.

    Memeltanz (2006) - pinning in(AA) Baby Green Hunters

    MoJo (2007) - 1/2 TB. Did Richland Park YEH-4 in 20111 w/an outstanding score - esp in gallop & jumping. Now at Mittleider Eventing; expect him to debut w/Sara @ Galway in March.

    Semper Fidelis (2009) - an approved breeding stallion co-owned by Gary Mittleider (Sara's father) he'll do YEH-4 and Novice/Training in 2013.

    Dora (2009) - with Barb Crabo and expect her to also do YEH-4 classes on the West Coast this year. Barb has high expectations for this filly.

    So that's 9 of his first 13 (lost track of 2 part-Arabian fillies and there's another Hunter allegedly but with name changes & sales cannot confirm; the 4th shipped overseas as a weanling and is owned by a family who've never shown him). Not a huge number in total but 70% of those have documented show records so it's fair to say he's proven to sire sport horses and definitely imparts jumping ability. Those old enough to compete @ Preliminary level and FEI levels in eventing are showing the gallop to make time. Time will tell if the trend continues.
    Owner of ATA and Verband-Approved Trakehner stallion, Tzigane *Pb*, breeder of ATA-approved Semper Fidelis

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    Quote Originally Posted by vineyridge View Post
    Mary Hazard still (I believe) stands Mystic Replica for eventing. .
    In my uneducated opionion American's would be making a big mistake not preserving the Babamist bloodline. My favorite horse of all time was out of a Babamist mare. A little opionionated and had a bit of a spook but was born to take you xc. May give the flowers beside the ring the hairy eyeball, but never spooked at a jump. Took him out N his first event (and I'm incompetant) as 4 year old and he loped around like he had been doing it for a million years. I want a horse I can trust to jump me out of trouble if I screw up, and that was him.

    Maybe putting Replica to a wb cross mare to add the movement needed to get the dressage scores you need these days?


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