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    Quote Originally Posted by MMacallister View Post
    I don't think we need to increase the tax percentage, but I do think we need to close all of the loop holes, then people will be paying what they are supposed to be paying. Even the ones I benefit from. Child tax credits, mortgage tax credits, the 6 million write offs businesses get. They all started with good intentions but have grown into an expensive monster.

    I agree that politicians need to be on the same health plan as the rest of us, if it is wonderful as advertised then they should be excited about the prospect.

    I think cleaning up on how efficently the government works would save a large sum of money. However convincing them thats a good idea, might not go so well.

    Be very careful. I'm not sure common sense is allowed!



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    Quote Originally Posted by JER View Post
    Put a stop to the worldwide wars. There are no positives for the US, only a sinking presence on the world stage, loads of corruption at every level, and a body count of people who didn't deserve to die this way.

    Stop giving Israel $3.1 billion dollars per year in military aid. That's 21% of Israel's total defense budget, courtesy of US taxpayers. And this to a nation that doesn't have the decency to honour the international treaties it signs or the ethics to refrain from inflicting an apartheid situation on its own citizens.
    You won't like this article at all. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...est=latestnews



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    Quote Originally Posted by Beentheredonethat View Post
    Since all the so-called "experts in Washington are having such a hard time with this, maybe we should make a list and send it to them. Since I have an actual job and live in the real world, I know when I get into debt, I have to spend less AND increase income, so I'm good with letting taxes go up a bit, somewhere near Clinton era.

    REDUCE military spending. WHY do we have the biggest, most expensive military in the world and GIVE ungodly amounts of money to other countries, and why will no on speak of this? (Well, I know the answer. All of the politicians are being bought by the parties that get all of this money.) Just think of what our country would be like if we put all of that money and manpower into our infrastructure, kids, elderly?

    Your turn.
    Amen, I work in contracting. I see so much waste, useless crud that we buy. Why do we have the most expensive military you ask? Because of the rules for budget. In order for a unit to keep their money that they're allotted, they must spend it. That means, even if you don't need it this year, you have to use it or next year, when you /might/ need it you won't get it because the military thinks you don't need it. There's a unit on my base that buys the same equipment every year(just newer) to spend the rest of their funds because that's the only way they'll get the funding next year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmytbs View Post

    My former CEO makes 33 mill a year base pay, plus bonuses. How the heck can someone spend that much money anyway.
    If he earned it how is that any business of yours?


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    Pay and benefit cuts in the government business. No life medical for congress, they should be treated as other employed people, after all, they are the people's employees. If they have cafeterias, no more funding.... Brown bag it..... No paid dinners, lunches, it comes out of their pockets or funding.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by HealingHeart View Post
    Pay and benefit cuts in the government business. No life medical for congress, they should be treated as other employed people, after all, they are the people's employees. If they have cafeterias, no more funding.... Brown bag it..... No paid dinners, lunches, it comes out of their pockets or funding.....

    Agreed. And to add to this, close the private gym, barbershop, and med center Congress enjoys. No lifetime pension after one term. Forget "nation building" unless its here in the U.S. of A.
    Taxes should not be increased-heck, the gov't can't account for where a majority of the money we send them goes. Throwing more $$ at the problem is not going to fix this mess.
    Enact term limits for Congress. That in itself sure would solve a lot of problems.

    Foreign aid should be discontinued for nations that hate our guts. My mantra is "I refuse to pay someone to insult me." Apply that to some foreign countries.
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    Here's what I found from Randi Rhodes to legitimately cut tax loopholes:
    http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/rrn...ticle=10640557

    Ten Ways To Avoid The Fiscal Cliff



    Stop giving investors a sweetheart deal - Tax capital gains as ordinary income
    Additional revenue: $533 billion over 10 years

    Quit subsidizing mansions and vacation homes - Lower or eliminate mortgage interest deduction
    Additional revenue: $214.6 billion over 10 years

    End the "step up" giveaway on inherited stocks
    Additional revenue: $764 billion over 10 years

    Revitalize the Estate Tax
    Additional revenue: $432 billion over 10 years

    Heed America's favorite investment guru - Implement The Buffett Rule
    Additional revenue: $171 billion over 10 years

    Reset back to Clinton-era tax rates for upper incomes
    Additional revenue: $442 billion over 10 years

    Eliminate massive agribusiness subsidies to corporate farmers
    Additional revenue: $112 billion over 10 years

    Eliminate oil & gas subsidies to massive oil companies
    Additional revenue: $158 billion over 10 years

    Forget cap and trade: Impose a carbon tax instead
    Additional revenue: $1.25 trillion over 10 years

    Stop giving corporations an excuse to hide profits and send jobs abroad
    Additional revenue: $583 billion over 10 years
    Total estimated additional revenue:
    $4,659,600,000,000
    (That's more than $4.6 Trillion)


    Read more: http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/rrn...#ixzz2G1T9Dgl0


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBayHanoMare View Post
    Make tack stores less enticing.
    No, no, we have to make them *more* enticing! That'll boost the economy for sure!!!



    There are also some ridiculous government contracts out there. I have a good friend in the Navy who does purchasing/item intake (I can't remember the actual name of his position or the duty list) and we were discussing the other day how a plunger on his submarine costs $104. Just a standard, go to Target and buy it off the shelf plunger.....and some contractor is charging $104 for each one and making a killing. I'm sure this isn't the only item that's like this. Needs to go away.
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    I know I have personally boosted the economy WAY too much with those damned Horze half off sales--I just got my third delivery from them today!


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    Quote Originally Posted by randomequine View Post
    No, no, we have to make them *more* enticing! That'll boost the economy for sure!!!



    There are also some ridiculous government contracts out there. I have a good friend in the Navy who does purchasing/item intake (I can't remember the actual name of his position or the duty list) and we were discussing the other day how a plunger on his submarine costs $104. Just a standard, go to Target and buy it off the shelf plunger.....and some contractor is charging $104 for each one and making a killing. I'm sure this isn't the only item that's like this. Needs to go away.
    This is due to the rules that we have for small business(aka economic boosting) the government has to procure X% of purchases from small businesses regardless of cost. There are also a lot of specifications that our equipment must meet(whether it makes sense or not is another story but the rules are rules).
    However, I've been a contract specialist for the Air Force for 4 years now and I've never seen ungodly overpriced items unless it's from a small business. While do use small business first, there's also a ton of rules about competition requirements before we buy things. Before you spout off, educate yourself.

    http://farsite.hill.af.mil/


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    Quote Originally Posted by AirForceWife View Post
    This is due to the rules that we have for small business(aka economic boosting) the government has to procure X% of purchases from small businesses regardless of cost. There are also a lot of specifications that our equipment must meet(whether it makes sense or not is another story but the rules are rules).
    However, I've been a contract specialist for the Air Force for 4 years now and I've never seen ungodly overpriced items unless it's from a small business. While do use small business first, there's also a ton of rules about competition requirements before we buy things. Before you spout off, educate yourself.

    http://farsite.hill.af.mil/

    I wasn't really 'spouting off' - if those are the rules, then the rules need to change. Perhaps the X% coming from small business stays the same, but the 'regardless of cost' has got to go. It's a plunger. It's going to work the same.

    The bigger question would be, why are small businesses allowed to price gouge the government/military? (And yes, there are ways for small businesses to be competitive in the market without charging $104 for a plunger)
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    I know there are ways for small businesses to not gouge however, they know the rules that we have to follow and that alone allows them to get away with it. There hasn't been a single time that I've had to go small business that I've not been able to get significantly lower quotes than the "price gougers". Civilians always hear the stories of $104 plungers and $1,000 hammers however, I'd love to see a single Purchase Order with those prices on it because, I've never seen it and no one I've worked with has either.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Beentheredonethat View Post
    Here's what I found from Randi Rhodes to legitimately cut tax loopholes:
    http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/rrn...ticle=10640557

    Ten Ways To Avoid The Fiscal Cliff



    Stop giving investors a sweetheart deal - Tax capital gains as ordinary income
    Additional revenue: $533 billion over 10 years

    Quit subsidizing mansions and vacation homes - Lower or eliminate mortgage interest deduction
    Additional revenue: $214.6 billion over 10 years

    End the "step up" giveaway on inherited stocks
    Additional revenue: $764 billion over 10 years

    Revitalize the Estate Tax
    Additional revenue: $432 billion over 10 years

    Heed America's favorite investment guru - Implement The Buffett Rule
    Additional revenue: $171 billion over 10 years

    Reset back to Clinton-era tax rates for upper incomes
    Additional revenue: $442 billion over 10 years

    Eliminate massive agribusiness subsidies to corporate farmers
    Additional revenue: $112 billion over 10 years

    Eliminate oil & gas subsidies to massive oil companies
    Additional revenue: $158 billion over 10 years

    Forget cap and trade: Impose a carbon tax instead
    Additional revenue: $1.25 trillion over 10 years

    Stop giving corporations an excuse to hide profits and send jobs abroad
    Additional revenue: $583 billion over 10 years
    Total estimated additional revenue:
    $4,659,600,000,000
    (That's more than $4.6 Trillion)


    Read more: http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/rrn...#ixzz2G1T9Dgl0
    You have just proven you have Z.E.R.O. clue.

    My sympathies go out to you.


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    LMH--lovely attitude, as always. I posted something someone had up. Instead of being an AssGrinch, why not post something useful as to why this would or would not work and YOUR ideas?

    Which ones do you have a problem with? Subsidizing millionaires homes? Making the super rich pay the same on their income as those who work? Subsidizing multibillion dollar ag companies?

    I don't know about all of them. I put this up as an idea someone else came up with.


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    Fire everyone and start over.
    It's too broken to fix at this point.
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    BTDT, many of those suggestions will drive the cost of living up for us. Business
    always passes costs (and that includes taxes) on to the consumer. The death tax hurts the small business owner and farmer who is "weathly" on assets, not necessarily income. The very wealthy have already protected much of their fortunes. The estate tax is one of the reasons family farmers and ranches are declining...their heirs have to sell all or part to pay the estate tax.

    The more Washington gets, the more it spends. Where the H... is all this money going? You know, that original stimulus bill....that same amount of money is now
    part of the annual budget. Or continuing resulution or whatever they call since their hasn't been an official budget for 3-4 years now. Am not sure if anyone knows where that first $800 billion went, much less where the other $800 billions
    has been going.

    Most of the subsidies for oil go to small companies...the big boys got cut out of
    those many years ago. And what they do have is normal business deduction type things. I'd rather they get what they get rather than the billions we've been
    throwing down the dark hole of solar and wind power that only seem to benefit
    campaign bundlers. Neither source can move a car, a truck or an airplane...energy costs are a big part of business expense as well as our living expense.



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    I'm sorry, we've been held hostage by the mentality that if we don't give in to corporations, oil companies, whatever and give them big breaks, they're going to raise prices on us. This trickle down/job creators stuff has been a fiasco for a long time. Remember Obama putting a resolution right before the "debt ceiling" to stop subsidies to the oil companies, and NO ONE voted for it, then complained we were spending too much?

    I'm ALL for cutting. I just don't think the place to gut is the bottom first. We need to stop waste across the board and cut things we seriously don't need, like military and paying other countries to be our friend.

    This page explains the excerpt I gave more. You completely disagree these ideas have any validity?
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...d-fiscal-cliff

    Sure seems like some better ideas than raising taxes on people making $25 k a year and cutting food stamps and health care for kids.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...fiscal-therapy


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    Quote Originally Posted by AirForceWife View Post
    Amen, I work in contracting. I see so much waste, useless crud that we buy. Why do we have the most expensive military you ask? Because of the rules for budget. In order for a unit to keep their money that they're allotted, they must spend it. That means, even if you don't need it this year, you have to use it or next year, when you /might/ need it you won't get it because the military thinks you don't need it. There's a unit on my base that buys the same equipment every year(just newer) to spend the rest of their funds because that's the only way they'll get the funding next year.
    Yes, my husband works for a defense contractor and this is the way they budget too. It's ridiculous. They should move to zero based budgeting...justify the money you need, starting from an assumption of none, every budget cycle. An employer I worked for switched to that some years ago and, though it was more work (I worked in the budgeting office!), we found a lot of unnecessary crap in there, which was only there because it always had been.


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    Quote Originally Posted by randomequine View Post
    No, no, we have to make them *more* enticing! That'll boost the economy for sure!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Beentheredonethat View Post
    I know I have personally boosted the economy WAY too much with those damned Horze half off sales--I just got my third delivery from them today!
    But if we make them less enticing, then we'll have MORE INCOME! I'd love to have more money in my pocket….

    Who am I kidding? Horses are my priority, not moving out from Mom's house (can't beat $200/month rent). I am, however, saving up to buy a house some day….

    Okay, MORE SHOPPING AT TACK STORES! It's my Christmas decree!



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    Quote Originally Posted by randomequine View Post
    I wasn't really 'spouting off' - if those are the rules, then the rules need to change. Perhaps the X% coming from small business stays the same, but the 'regardless of cost' has got to go. It's a plunger. It's going to work the same.

    The bigger question would be, why are small businesses allowed to price gouge the government/military? (And yes, there are ways for small businesses to be competitive in the market without charging $104 for a plunger)
    The purchase is based upon the specifications in the bid offer... so it isn't the buyer or the seller at fault but the spec writer who usually has no idea what they are writing the specifications for except following an in place guide line.


    We are still seeing contract written around specifications that have been out dated for thirty years... and we go through the whole process every time to submit up to date products which have to re-approved every time.


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