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  1. #21
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    K panel, full front or wither gusset and higher head saddles/more curve to the tree can be a help fitting the "typical" Tb. Upswept panels can be a help with a short back. If your mare has a well-sprung rib cage, a gusseted panel in the rear would probably be a help as well, since the gusset will help flatten (laterally) the bearing surface. Black Country, Frank Baines, Albion, and the new Loxley/Bliss saddles would be worth considering. If you need a saddle with a more forward balance point, Prestige, Amerigo/Vega and a couple of the new Passier models offer that. And I'll second hoopoe's advice of working with a competent fitter who's going to spend time finding a saddle that really fits rather than simply trying to sell whatever s/he carries.



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    It's too bad if your local Schleese person isn't the best fitter because my horse is a big, WB-sized TB with high withers, too. She goes really well in a Schleese but Albion was a disaster for us (and it was semi-custom!). But I've always thought that our Albion issue was the 'fitter.'



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    Thanks everyone!

    I went away for a few days. so, I just noticed all the recent posts

    Im beginning to think I do need a "saddle fitter".....

    I would like to find someone who doesnt endorse a particular brand, but, has a lot of options for the best fit for my girl.

    can anyone recommend someone in Michigan?.. I can travel with her....

    I closed the page with her picture.. I will reopen it so you all can see her

    saddle fit is so hard for me. I know if its not right.. we (my little red mare and I) just dont have a good time, lol.....



  4. #24
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    In Michigan:

    Jeff Kalman (I've worked with him before; he reps, but is very objective & a good fitter). 734/726-0197.
    Tish Graf (I've dealt with her a bit too, she's a Mike Scott grad) 708/927-2309
    Cyndi Parks (I've dealt with her once or twice; she's in IL but covers some of MI) 231/233-0764
    Pam Omer, SMS QSF (don't remember ever dealing with her, but she has the education) 517/499-0983.

    Good luck!



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    A Spirig would work! If money is truly no object you can have one custom made by Spirig. http://www.spirigsaddlery.com/index.html

    Or a saddle fitter could help you to reflock a used saddle

    http://www.pelham-saddlery.com/tack/spirigsaddle.html
    "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpin_Horses View Post

    My horse: 17hh TB, mare. Built like a big-azz Warmblood. but, with a nice wither on her. Huge stride. Short, wide back.

    Merry Christmas - BTW
    I had the same typeish of TB to fit.
    17 h. SUPER short backed. WIDE table back but with a wither.

    EqTrainer helped me out big time fitting him.
    Basically..she mentioned I needed to buy a saddle to fit the back...and then gusset to fit the wither.

    Also, I am 6' tall so I'm a tough fit as well.

    Here is the horse:
    http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...ensnewpics.jpg

    Also, you ask about twists,
    Twists are 100% personal preference.
    The twist is the area where your crotch sits. I like a SUPER narrow twist. There are lines in the leather of the saddle that sort of make an hour glass shape (if you look straight down). If the most narrow part of the hour glass is an inch or so--it's a narrow twist. But the "feel" of the twist also has to do with the rise of the pommel. A low pommeled saddle may feel wider... a low pommel (or head) won't work on a TB with high withers.

    I ended up getting a wide Amerigo Vega. It has a super narrow twist and I liked the knee blocks as well.

    The saddle also has upswept panels which are good for the horse who has a very short back or high croup.

    I custom make a gusset for 20 bucks.
    like this:
    http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...therreleif.jpg

    I cut off the area in blue.

    with this home made gusset--this saddle has fit every horse that I ride.
    It works on my mom's XW paint horse without the gusset..
    And it works on my Medium TB with a gel pad and the gusset.
    It's a well balanced saddle and with some sort of padding--I can make it fit everyone.
    I've never had a horse not like it.
    The Amerigo Deep on the other hand (which in theory is about the same as the Vega)--was the only saddle that the gray horse hated. I thought he was going to dump me. The gullet was only about an inch wide!!!
    http://kaboomeventing.com/
    http://kaboomeventing.blogspot.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitt View Post
    K panel, full front or wither gusset and higher head saddles/more curve to the tree can be a help fitting the "typical" Tb. Upswept panels can be a help with a short back. If your mare has a well-sprung rib cage, a gusseted panel in the rear would probably be a help as well, since the gusset will help flatten (laterally) the bearing surface. Black Country, Frank Baines, Albion, and the new Loxley/Bliss saddles would be worth considering. If you need a saddle with a more forward balance point, Prestige, Amerigo/Vega and a couple of the new Passier models offer that. And I'll second hoopoe's advice of working with a competent fitter who's going to spend time finding a saddle that really fits rather than simply trying to sell whatever s/he carries.
    this in bold.
    The Vega was the one saddle that put in the front...and didn't scoot me back.

    You really have to narrow down what you want as well as horse fit. There are too many options out there! Like buying tooth paste...I just stand and stare at all of the brands every time I have to purchase new toothpaste. lol
    http://kaboomeventing.com/
    http://kaboomeventing.blogspot.com/
    Horses are amazing athletes and make no mistake -- they are the stars of the show!



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    You might look into Balance saddles--their Nexus dressage saddle has a moderate twist but a very wide tree, and then you customize the fit with pads. They will do a fitting remotely (with videos and pictures) or, if Carol Brett (one of the founders) is doing a tour in the U.S. in the spring, as she often does, she'd is fantastic at in-person fitting.

    I've ridden in the Nexus dressage saddle for the last 6 years, and I have a TB mare who is wide-backed but has some wither as well.

    Their site is definitely worth checking out:http://www.balanceinternational.com
    "The formula 'Two and two make five' is not without its attractions." --Dostoevsky



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    thanks everyone!

    Im checking all the posts/links out

    ive decided that I would probably want a med/narrow twist

    also, I think I want more of a flatter panel against her back, rather than a panel that sits on an angle... (hope that makes sense ) and definitely WIDE..

    thats about all I have right now..... and some fitter recommendations...



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    The Eden and Competitor have curvier trees and are suited to that back shape. The Vinici / Kur (which are leather but can have serge panels) tend to fit a horse with a decent wither and then a long, flat back. If your horse is short-backed, the rear panels may be too long and may cause issues.



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    grr! wish you lived by me kitt...



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    My saddle fitter recommended a great book for me to read. The Horses Pain-Free Back and Saddle Fit Book. I bought it on Amazon. It is an easy read with lots of good information.



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    Jumpin_Horses, pm me and we'll chat. I may be able to help you out.



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    Have you looked here?
    http://www.fine-used-saddles.com/catalog.htm?Vl=2&Tp=2



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    http://www.hulsebossaddles-usa.com/home.cfm

    these are some of the best people I've come across. Very professional, 100% honest. If somethings not quite right they'll take the saddle back no questions asked. all real riders and horse people. Super quality saddles, they can build one to fit literally any horse!
    The only thing about these saddles is that they aren't super "built up", and they don't really "lock" you into place with big thigh blocks and a deep seat. I like it, but I've met one or two people that don't. Also, you have to wait a really long time for the saddles and the fitter to come (usually about six months), at least where I live.



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    thanks everyone.. check out the links

    I think my biggest problem is that I have TMI...

    I got Dr. Robson's video, and I think im too picky now

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd2NqTPmjDU



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    It's easy to over-think the saddle issue. It's really pretty straightforward, though some fitters do try to make it a combination of alchemy and rocket science. Working with a good fitter can make a big difference. And if you'd like to read up on saddle fit, Dr. Harman's book is good; I'd also recommend "Saddle Fitting Essentials", by Galadriel Billington, available here: http://lorienstable.com/book/. It's one of the most straightforward, concise books on the subject that I've ever seen.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitt View Post
    It's easy to over-think the saddle issue. It's really pretty straightforward, though some fitters do try to make it a combination of alchemy and rocket science. Working with a good fitter can make a big difference. And if you'd like to read up on saddle fit, Dr. Harman's book is good; I'd also recommend "Saddle Fitting Essentials", by Galadriel Billington, available here: http://lorienstable.com/book/. It's one of the most straightforward, concise books on the subject that I've ever seen.
    cool, thanks.. I will get those... Im in no hurry, I want the right saddle

    I kind of like this one

    http://www.horseclicks.com/albion_sl...saddles/298560



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    The SLK is built on a curvier tree, and the high-head option is helpful for big withers and/or a dippier back. Good for the "typical" Tb-type.



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