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  1. #1
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    Default Why Western dressage?

    I don't want this to be a debate on the merits (or lack of) Western dressage, there are already a few threads that go in that direction.

    I just want to know, for those of you that participate in Western dressage, why do you do it/what got you interested in it? I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just trying to understand the motivation. I just don't get it. At all. For what it's worth, I would be just as confused if an "English reining" thread popped up in the Western forum.

    I started out riding Western, but my focus now is on dressage. If I want to ride Western, I do (and use skills I've learned in my dressage lessons), but I feel like the tack is very restrictive. It dulls my ability to feel my horse and I feel like I don't get as quick of a response.
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    I think that's a very valid question. I'm just as flummoxed as you apparently are by this desire people seem to have for this type of mashed up new sport.
    "Relinquish your whip!!"


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    NNNNNooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

    Here we go again....
    My Mustang Adventures - Mac, my mustang | Annwylid D'Lite - my Cob filly

    "A horse's face always conveys clearly whether it is loved by its owner or simply used." - Anja Beran


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    I'd never heard of it until COTH. For me I just like trying new things and I'd moved to a barn this past June/July that has been my Balm in Gilead. I'm experiencing a different way of going with regards to me and my horse and it has opened me to trying different things like Barrels, poles, hacking, etc. So when this came to my attention and I looked at videos of it I thought it just looked like fun and approachable.

    But that's my personality anyway: I'm happiest doing 4 or 5 things at once. So I guess my answer would be, "why not?"

    ETA: I forgot about your tack observation. I feel the same way. I bought an Aussie saddle back when I got Fella, sat in it once and sold it. I felt like I was hovering inches above him and couldn't figure out how to use my legs and seat. I've learned that all Western Saddles aren't like that. My saddle is a treeless endurance style EZ fit and it is very close contact so this isn't an issue for me. I could see that as a challenge for many though -to go from English to Western, but I don't get the impression it's universal.

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    This ought to answer your question. Read the entire page, especially lower left. http://www.thecountrytoday.com/horse...a4bcf887a.html


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    I know a few people that ride western dressage. They do it because they ride western, and they do a lot of dressage type training on their horses in western tack. They are mostly trail riders with more athletic type horses (Morgans, Arabs, and Appendix type QHs). And by trail riders I mean competitive trail and endurance. They do the "dressage" for fun and to train their horses, but they prefer riding western, have no desire to buy an entire new set of tack and riding gear.

    Personally it looks fun. I'm totally confused by the whole controversy.


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    You may want to pose this question on the Western forum also. Not sure how many Western dressage active participants visit here.
    When someone shows you who they are, BELIEVE THEM.


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    I don't have much to say about the whole western dressage thing, other than that if a person wants to ride the lower levels (intro, training, first) in western tack under a USDF judge, they should be able to do so, and be scored.

    As for the saddles, I've only ridden in one western saddle (handmade, with a Warren Wright tree) that put me in the appropriate position. For what it's worth, the same saddle is the only one I've ever been able to gallop in a secure two point in. It's much easier to be put in the appropriate position, from which you can use your leg and seat well, in a dressage saddle though by no means is every dressage saddle going to be 'right' for everyone.


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    I suspect the main reason is so they can provide the COTH people a topic of ongoing derision to discuss ad nauseum


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    Two competitors were at our Fall Show and they both are interested in more forward-moving Western horses than you'd find in any WP class. One rides a paint, the other, an Appaloosa. The appy owner also shows a good bit in the Stock Horse Association shows, where more 'naturally/normally' moving Western horse are shown on the rail, in ranch trail, ranch reining, ranch roping, etc...so they are using Western Dressage as another venue to show their horses, get detailed score sheets on their corners, straightness, rhythm, etc, and both ride well, on very crisp-moving, obedient, nice horses.

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    I show in Gaited Dressage and have found the local schooling shows a nice venue to show and get scored.

    When Stock Horse shows are only held 3-4 times a year, the opportunity to hit a Western Dressage class at a schooling show is another way to work on your nerves and get out there and have fun.


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    This Western horse isn't dogging along like a WP horse- nice horse, nice rider, nice ride.

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    oooooooh, katarine, I love that appy!!!!
    My Mustang Adventures - Mac, my mustang | Annwylid D'Lite - my Cob filly

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    She's a NICE mare, very handy and stylish. She's really a lovely rider and very successful with that mare.



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    I enjoy taking my horses (in their English tack) to trail rides, obstacle courses and cow events.

    Why? For fun, exposure, cross training, and the ability to learn something new that may help me in the ring.

    Having something to go over, through, around, or an obvious purpose can help my horse better understand why he needs to do a leg yield or turn on the haunches. It also improves our relationship. The same way practicing lower level dressage can help western horses improve training and build the necessary muscles and balance to perform in their respective disciplines better.

    So I agree with the poster who said Why Not?


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    My main concern is not the saddle but the bits...
    What is allowed in WD is just not right for the lower level of dressage.


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    What is allowed is one thing, but what people use is another. The curb is not mandatory. The snaffle is allowed at all levels. I ride in a snaffle, my trainer rides her western barrel horse, a stallion, in a snaffle.

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    You are wrong. What is important is what is allowed or not.
    It gives the right to use all kind of bits and that goes against all dressage principles.

    What kind of training practices is WD advocating? If those bits are allowed they will be used.
    Who cares about one or two people? The rules applies to all. Don't complain later if your horse never wins against those who are following the rule (rules you endorse by joining) and using the high port, lever, spade bits that shouldn't be seen in proper lower level dressage.


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    They don't allow flashes or figure 8 nose bands. If you use a lever bit incorrectly will your horse show it by gaping, especially if Western bridles have no nose bands?

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    Where is this written? Western Dressage rule

    Sorry but I don't know who told you 'flashs' and 'figure eight' were not allowed but I can't find it.


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    WDAA rules, page 15 WD501 "Illegal Equipment" #5 "Flash, figure 8 or dropped nosebands" http://westerndressageassociation.or...a77f38b1_e.pdf

    Paula
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