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    Default My hands swell, tingle, go numb, and contract at night. Carpal Tunnel syndrome?

    So I've been building standards and XC jumps this past 3 months.
    I was good for the 1st three or so XC jumps (been building them since Thanksgiving) but now I'm in major pain.

    When I sit down to watch TV at night my fingers start to tingle.
    When I wake up in the morning my thumb, index finger, and middle finger on both hands are fat and numb. My whole hand is fat but those fingers are scary fat.
    Further progression leads to a contracted palm on my right hand.
    Once I'm up and moving around--and all day long--I'm fine.


    what I have done:
    I have a wrist/thumb brace for each hand that I wear to bed.
    I use foam tape and pressure tape those 6 fingers in hopes to keep some of the swelling down.
    **This does help.

    This morning I woke up very early in sooo much pain. I got up and walked it out.
    Then went back to bed and hung my right arm off the side of my mattress (no brace or foam tape at this time)--that helped with the pain but I woke up really fat and really contracted.
    So obviously it did not do wonders for swelling.

    I'm taking Naproxin and Ibuprofen Topically I started using Volterin Gel and Capsaicin.
    (side note: Capsaisin cream is the devil's tool)

    I'm not sure there is much else I can do. Right now I have to control the computer mouse on the chair next to me because when I lift my right hand to the table it starts to tingle. Down low it recovers. This is a new issue as of today.

    Is there anything else I can do? Is this just me and I have to live with it?

    I'm having BLAST making jumps though!!!!
    No way I'm going to stop because I LOVE MAKING THEM but as soon as I finish this order I will slow down in frequency. Hopefully that will help my hands. : (

    I did an UL and LL skinny last week and this weekend.

    http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p.../IMG_1520b.jpg
    http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p.../IMG_1517b.jpg
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    here are my others:

    http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...om/BNbarn2.jpg
    http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p.../Nrolltop2.jpg
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    oh! I should add--
    on a normal daily basis when I talk on the phone my right hand goes numb...
    (so when ever my elbow is bent I have issues)
    And also if I cross my legs my toes go numb. So the numbness is not unusual just the product of age I guess.
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    Oh, wow! Those are really nice looking!


    I have the same issues, although not as bad. I have over a foot.of titanium in my spine. I broke my back almost 7 years ago and have numb spots all over my body. My arms go numb, my legs go numb when I sit on the floor. Or sit with them straight out in front of me.

    I betcha you've pinched a nerve in your back. Certain areas of the spine branch out and co.tell other areas in your body.

    I would go see a chiropractor or general practitioner asap.
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    Your jumps are lovely, Your symptoms are not. Numbness and tingling are not a normal part of aging they are often a sign of compression on a nerve. The question is where is the nerve being compressed, at the carpal tunnel, at the elbow or up in the neck. The fact that you have lower extremity symptoms would make the neck my first target. The physical swelling of your hands is also concerning.
    I'm not a physician but I am a physical therapist and treat symptoms like yours often. You need to get yourself to your primary care for a real work up to ensure there is nothing funky going on. Did I mention your jumps are lovely??
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    hmmm..interesting.
    I have many friends who have the same issues with numbness when doing things like talking on the phone, or sleeping with an arm above their head.
    It happens when the elbows are bent as far as they can go for a period of time.
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    Nice jumps, but not worth risking your long-term soundness. At minimum, you need to rest your hands/wrists/arms, but really, you need to visit a doctor to determine if this is carpal tunnel syndrome, pinched nerve in neck, or what...


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    Go to a doc.....but carpal tunnel is made worse by 'gripping actions' (ie hammering). So you NEED to take a BREAK. Depending upon the degree there are exercises to help with it, or surgery.
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    It's the drilling.
    Dang deck screws are pretty thick and hard to drill.
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    carpal tunnel for sure. i have the same thing and it is exaggerated by using shovels etc holding lunge whips and a bunch of other stuff.

    what works really well is anti inflammatory and wearing wrist braces at night and during the day when it is really bad.

    what you might also try - which works really well for me - is to use vet wrap to warp my wrists hand to stabilize my wrists. this works very well. if interested i can find pics of how i wrap.

    here is an image of how i wrap my wrists - this is not vet wrap but it shows you the places i wrap

    the braces i wear at night have metal bars on the wrist side to keep my hands/wrists stable at night..

    i suggest both. and also ice/rest/wraps to bring the inflammation down.

    good luck!



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    yup. Because of this thread I started a google search for carpal tunnel.

    I found this little bit:
    In the Tinel test, the doctor taps on or presses on the median nerve in the patient's wrist. The test is positive when tingling in the fingers or a resultant shock-like sensation occurs.

    By right wrist is absolutely positive for this.
    My left hand is OK.

    This is the first day my right hand and forearm have remained funny feeling and cold.

    are these a rip off?
    http://www.mycarpaltunnel.com/order-page.shtml

    Now that I'm figuring some things out--I kinda feel like I need a DMSO wrap or something to decrease inflammation.

    As for medical help, unfortunately I am currently unemployed and have a low cost temporary insurance that really doesn't allow for much. I don't remember when I get in the form of Doc visits and it doesn't pay for prescriptions.

    I'll take a break--errrrr--or just build 1 jump a week instead of dishing out 10 hours a day on them. I'll reduce it to 3 or so hours daily.

    If I'm not making jumps then I have nothing to do. : (
    And on top of that I'm traveling around body clipping horses!
    Clipmasters are swell for the issue as well. (pardon the pun)

    lol
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    take a look at my post - i give you several things you can do to minimize the pain/inflammation - i have managed mine on my own for years.....

    wrapping is *critical* for sure - use vet wrap.



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    are these a rip off?
    http://www.mycarpaltunnel.com/order-page.shtml

    If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

    Haven't bought wrist splints in years but they are less expensive than that. Carpal tunnel can be manged to a point. I found the surgery a "No Problem". But had the second hand done in summer. It's a nuisance fitting gloves and heavy coats over the bandages you need initially.
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    Sounds like Carpal tunnel too.....I had it pretty bad in both wrists during college.

    But go to a doctor. If it is carpal tunnel.....ice, wrist braces and anti inflammatories help a bit. But really severe cases need surgery. I didn't use the things you posted but the bigger wrist braces. Made a big difference....and being very aware of how I was positioning my hands.

    Mine is a lot better...but braiding horses brings it back full force....

    ETA: sorry, just saw the lack of medical. Get the basic wrist brace from CVS or the drug store. The ones with a piece of metal in them and that you velcro on.

    Wear them at night and as much as you can. ICE ICE ICE.....take lots of breaks when you are building or clipping and make sure you do not have your wrist in an odd position. I managed mine for a long time. Surpass might help a bit too if you have some for your horse. It is the imflammation that causes the pain.
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    Sure sounds like carpal tunnel to me. Alternatively some pulled/tight muscles in the neck/traps/paraspinals can cause de facto nerve root "compression" even if the spine is OK.

    Ibuprofen or naproxen in high doses can cause significant fluid retention in some individuals, and the carpal tunnel is an anatomical area with NO TOLERANCE for extra fluid. So NSAIDs can actually make it worse.

    Cock-up wrist splints worn at night are probably your best bet, along with backing way off the manual work. Neutral wrist splints are more comfortable but take less pressure off the carpal tunnel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deltawave View Post
    Ibuprofen or naproxen in high doses can cause significant fluid retention in some individuals, and the carpal tunnel is an anatomical area with NO TOLERANCE for extra fluid. So NSAIDs can actually make it worse.

    Cock-up wrist splints worn at night are probably your best bet, along with backing way off the manual work. Neutral wrist splints are more comfortable but take less pressure off the carpal tunnel.
    Interesting concerning the NSAIDs!

    this is what I'm wearing now:
    (but maybe they are not as long in the wrist section as the one pictured.
    http://www.docortho.com/images/D/2086.jpg

    Cock-ups I see are much longer through the wrist..
    http://www.activeforever.com/p-1802-...gn=orthopedics

    but they do not incorporate the thumb. Though it seems through what I've learned from everyone and from google is that the issue comes from a nerve in the wrist--so I don't need to worry so much about my thumb but make sure it's my wrist that is best stabilized?
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    This is what I used

    http://www.cvs.com/shop/product-deta...m?skuId=138206

    And yes, it is more about the wrist not your thumb.
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    Another helpful tip is to wrap the handles of your tools and clippers! I use vet wrap. Give you a better grip so you don't have to hold so tightly. I have the handles to my manure fork , shovels, clippers, even the wood back brushes are coated so they are not so slippery. Helps a lot.



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    That is a thumb spica splint, great for gamekeeper's thumb or what-not. Minimally useful for CTS as it would still allow partial assumption of the fetal position during sleep. Which is what we all do and why we wake up numb and tingly.

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    And YES, padded handles on tools--just to change the grip slightly--can also help. If you MUST use tools and have a couple of different sizes and styles with different handles that can help.

    And believe it or not, think about what you're eating. See above about the carpal tunnel's tolerance for fluid--how is your salt intake?
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    I had carpal tunnel in both wrists for years. Eventually got so painful I couldn't sleep and so numb that I lost feeling in my hands while riding and driving, and ..... I ended up having the surgery on both wrists. I can tell you the pain is gone which is nice, but I don't have the strength or dexterity I used to have prior to surgery.

    I would say do your best to get everything to calm down and avoid surgery !



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