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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmedHope View Post
    85% of his revenue to taxes is insane. I don't blame him. The article says that taxes were raised on those making over 1 million to reduce the deficit. Why should the most successful citizens be forced to pay for the deficit that was caused by government mismanagement of the budget?
    They shouldn't be taxed any more.
    We all pay more than enough taxes here in the U.S. as it is. Why do they need to raise them more? Because of all the handouts and the waste of our government.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThisTooShallPass View Post
    Oh yes indeed they do move! And give up their citizenship!

    A: Did you not read post 16 with facts?

    B: I have actually met a few in real life.
    To what countries are they moving? Of course, 1,000 something emigrants aren't a lot of people.



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    Its just easier to move the money. We've made a concerted effortto move almost all of our investments into tax free investments. Given our age and the prospect of all of the tax increases on dividends and capital gains it just made sense.

    I think the US government does nothing to control spending, so I see no reason not to try to limit my exposure to their lack of discipline.
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    I left the state of california after the franchise tax board ticked me off one time too many... Lived there for over 40 years. Will never go back. One reason we live in Texas now is there is no state income tax.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRoo View Post
    I don't see how that's relevant. Why should we ask the wealthier amongst us to pay 85% in TAXES? How is that at all equitable? So what if the difference in their lifestyle between 80 and 50 percent gone to taxes is minimal? It's THEIR MONEY. They earned it.
    Yes, but my very serious question is:

    If you can't perceive a change in your quality of life because you have access to, say $100M or $1B, why give a rat's patoot about your tax rate? You'll never feel the difference.

    It seems to me that your blood pressure would be lower (and quality of life higher) if you didn't sweat the small stuff. And for the truly wealthy, being taxed at obscene rates when they have all the dough they need seems like "the small stuff" to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by candyappy View Post
    They shouldn't be taxed any more.
    We all pay more than enough taxes here in the U.S. as it is. Why do they need to raise them more? Because of all the handouts and the waste of our government.
    Wars are also expensive
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    After reading the list of his assets, I really do not pity him. Even if he does pay a lot of taxes, he has plenty of money to spend... http://www.lefigaro.fr/argent/2012/1...d-affaires.php
    Beside, as an actor, I really do not see what the fuss is all about. He has always looked and acted like a bear, and not a teddy bear.
    Plus he has some appointments soon for a few legal matters (ie DIUs, etc). Nota model citizen...
    And you are right, I do not like him, never did.
    Last edited by FalseImpression; Dec. 18, 2012 at 11:01 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by carolprudm View Post
    Wars are also expensive

    Where billions are wasted and not accounted for. Taxes do NOT need to be raised. The government needs to be held accountable for every penny of OUR money they spend. Yet very few hold our representatives accountable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FalseImpression View Post
    After reading the list of his assets, I really do not pity him. Even if he does pay a lot of taxes, he has plenty of money to spend... http://www.lefigaro.fr/argent/2012/1...d-affaires.php
    Beside, as an actor, I really do not see what the fuss is all about. He is always looked and acted like a bear, and not a teddy bear.
    Plus he has some appointments soon for a few legal matters (ie DIUs, etc). Nota model citizen...
    And you are right, I do not like him, never did.
    For some reason, many in Congress have become rich while in office yet no one wants to slam them. Why? Take a look at their assets....geez.
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    To MVP - I say BS! Just because someone has a lot of money doesn't mean each dollar doesn't count. I'm not saying it applies in his case because I don't know him or his story, but I would much rather control where my money goes than be forced to give it to a government!!! (that probably wastes a lot of it anyway)


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    I could have 500 Billion dollars. I would not be happy if a large chunk of it was taken away by someone (Government) who can not control their spending. It's my money, I earned it, I decide what the majority of it gets spent on.


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    Chiming in again here, I'll just say that for those of you that think this is all just about the rich and famous being bratty, think again. Guess what folks, 'normal' people are being affected by this too. How do I know? That's right, I'm LOSING MY FRICKING JOB in large part due to this policy, as my boss is packing it in and getting the heck out of dodge. And really, why shouldn't he if he can be taxed more reasonably elsewhere? Thanks ever so much Mr. Holland !!!


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    If the wealthy and their businesses don't want to pay taxes, the middle class can't really pay more, and the lower class can't afford to pay more taxes, where is the money going to come from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathy s. View Post
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2311561.html


    Wonder how long it will be before it happens in the U.S.?

    OH EM GEE they are taxing wealthy people!!!

    Ok, I cannot blame him.
    85% id a heap.
    Only Abba paid more (back then the tax rate in Sweden was around 90%)

    The rich folk in the US are still paying pittance! My effective tax rate was higher than that of Mitt Romney!
    Does that mean I am rich? HAH!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathy s. View Post
    For some reason, many in Congress have become rich while in office yet no one wants to slam them. Why? Take a look at their assets....geez.
    That's not relevant to the topic, but sure, I'll slam politicians who are assured health benefits for life and, I learned here, walk out of office millionaires often.

    They don't seems to face the consequences of the decisions that they make for the rest of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by f4leggin View Post
    To MVP - I say BS! Just because someone has a lot of money doesn't mean each dollar doesn't count. I'm not saying it applies in his case because I don't know him or his story, but I would much rather control where my money goes than be forced to give it to a government!!! (that probably wastes a lot of it anyway)
    With respect to your first thought.

    Really? A buck must be watched by the billionaire with the same attention it must be watched by the guy living at the poverty line? Other than the rich man's preference, why? That single dollar wasted for him has much less impact on his lived experience. To me, that's a mathematical truth so I don't get your logic.

    With respect to resenting what the government does with our money. That's fine, but a different issue. Again, the billionaire deeply frustrated by an expensive welfare system, or war, can still live his life just about insulated from both of those. They matter to the extent that he chooses to make them an issue he cares about.
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    Depardieu complains he has paid 85% taxes on this year's income??? but in France, taxes are not withheld at the source... you pay the following year. So, if he paid that much in taxes this year, it was under the previous government, not Hollande's... so why didn't he leave years ago???
    I do not believe he paid that much. He can tell a good tale. He paid a lot, I don't doubt it, but he also has many different kinds of investments/assets which are not all taxed at the same rate... I have a feeling he picked one number, but it does not apply across the board.

    There are a lot people hurting in France and in Europe, and Depardieu is not one of them.


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    FalseImpression -- it is not as simple as that, and you can't compare apples to oranges here. These are a lot less tax loopholes here than in the States and a portion of the 85% taxes would be ISF (impôt sur la fortune, or wealth tax) and CSG (contribution sociale généralisée), things which cannot be avoided. Previous policy capped total tax at 85%, so I am sure that is where the number is coming from, and I absolutely believe that Mr. Depardieu was being truthful when he stated that.

    I am surprised by the reaction of many people here siding against his decision. That is certainly not the reaction I am seeing here, most are saying "too right! I'd leave too!" (then again my circle of friends are not socialists...). Sort of ironic.


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    I just read an article that explained that he may have paid a total of 85% in taxes, but it is not on his annual income. You are right it is partly the ISF and the experts figured he included the payments he has to make for his various companies and employees. So he may not be saying the exact truth...
    http://www.lefigaro.fr/impots/2012/1...85-en-2012.php

    From the clip I just saw, many actors/sports figures, etc. do not agree with his decision. Lelouch for example feels that he made his money in France, so he should pay his taxes there. Others feel that it is their duty to help the "sinking ship" by contributing to the social programs through their taxes.
    http://www.lefigaro.fr/impots/2012/1...gwTSBvl4w_4Lhd



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    I'm beginning to like him in an odd way.
    It is interesting so many people say they are going to move out of the country if this or that person becomes president, yet they don't move. But, when it becomes about money they do.


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