[Lord Helpus]

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/p...y/2ringbit.jpg

EDITED to add: I have a horse who has a lovely soft mouth. Problem is, he wants to drop beind the bit; I am looking for something he will lean into, and which is still strong enough so the rider can get him to listen.

He is a jumper, so unconventional bets are fine.

[jse]

Mikmar maybe? I think that's a Double Ring Snaffle?

[jse]

http://www.onestopequineshop.com/Wil...Bit_p_608.html

Found this and there is also one for sale on Amazon UK....

[Lord Helpus]

THANKS jse.

Yes, it is a MikMar. I just went to their site and found it!!!

Called a Watson Snaffle

However, the one you posted a picture of (Called a Wilson snaffle) is about 1/4th the price.

Yea for COTH and nice people!!

[jse]

No problem at all!

[hunterrider23]

http://www.beval.com/Products/Scourier-Bit/1022015.aspx I actually believe it's this one, because the second pair of rings seem attached to the bit.

[Lord Helpus]

http://www.beval.com/Products/Scourier-Bit/1022015.aspx I actually believe it's this one, because the second pair of rings seem attached to the bit.

Hunterrider, you may be right. I can see that the Scourier is different from the Wilson (which has one attached ring and one unattached ring).

I cannot tell which bit the Mikmar is like.

http://www.mikmar.com/bit-pages/Wats...g-snaffle.html

[Xanthoria]

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/p...y/2ringbit.jpg

EDITED to add: I have a horse who has a lovely soft mouth. Problem is, he wants to drop beind the bit; I am looking for something he will lean into, and which is still strong enough so the rider can get him to listen.

He is a jumper, so unconventional bets are fine.

A Wilson is considered a pretty harsh bit due to the jaw squeezing aspect of the floating rings. Often used for driving for that reason. With a bit of luck you've already tried one on your soft mouthed horse tho!

[JustJump]

Agree--that's not a bit for a soft mouthed horse.

For what you describe, it's not the bit, it's the hands that use it. A good, alert rider can keep a horse from dropping back before it happens.

Why get complicated? Simple snaffle does the job more often than not. If you want him to lean on it, use a Mullen mouth snaffle.

But it's more a rider problem than a horse one, IME.

[Words of Wisdom]

Another vote for something other than the scourrier-- the mouthpiece for those is usually squared off and quite sharp-- my soft-mouthed horse who also dropped behind the bit was hugely offended by it.

[CDE Driver]

Wilson snaffles are pretty common in the driving world, http://www.idealharness.com/product_...oducts_id=3114

[Plumcreek]

Wouldn't that double ring bit be likely to pinch the lips?

I have such a horse; soft, and will go behind the vertical with pulling, but a bit of a jerk and needs to be set back occasionally. I use the shortest shank Tom Thumb with a nice fat snaffle mouthpiece and padded curb chain, and 99% of the time, the curb rein is draped, but ready for action on my little finger.

[browndog18]

I have 1..I would sell it...let me know..Lrjenterprises@verizon.net