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    Default Need help finding info on arabian auction in Ohio

    Hi I had been interested in a little gelding that is now going to be in the arabian auction in Ohio. I am looking for dates and times for this auction as I can not seem to find it. I would imagine that there is a website for it also but have yet to find anything with dates other than 2007 results.

    This horse is located 4hrs away from me. I have until next Friday to go look at him and buy him. I was going to go on Monday but things came up at work that don't allow me to leave town Kinda been put on call and they would not like it if I took a 4hr trip. So as far as me being able to leave town all next week will probably not happen.

    The owner has not given me the dates of this auction just that she is going to list them next friday and that would mean that they would no longer be up for private sale.

    Any info would be great and I thank anyone that can answer this in advance as nothing ever seems to be easy for me. I thought my long search for the right horse could of been over.



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    Addis will be having an Arabian auction in Springfield, Ohio November 6-8. Consignment deadline is September 20.

    http://www.addisequineauctions.com/



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    Thank you so much. The gelding will be gone by Friday and I have no other choice but to go to the Auction and try to buy him. Maybe I will find some others to fill my pastures/barn with too.
    Please If anyone has any advice for buying at this auction please let me know. I have already pretty much made the arrangements to leave to go out to it. I do go to our local all breed auction and I'm sure the addis auction will be a real stand out compared to my local one (poor staff, slaughter buyers and a lot of sick horses).
    Since my search for the right horse has began I have not missed our local auction once. Horses just keep going for less but none have been arabs all but the gimpy old grey gelding that will have a forever home in my pasture.
    Thanks for any advice



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    Addis auction is real professional stuff. Many of the major arab farms use his services. He came reccommended to me by Al Marah.
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    Bill Addis is a really lovely guy. He has been very helpful with the Arabian Horse Rescue and Rehoming Program. He also, (through them) will help pay for anyone needing help euthanizing an older horse (or hurt, etc).. because in a lot of areas, it's getting really expensive and next to impossible to do.

    He also has a minimum all horses at his auctions must sell for ($500). I think that's to keep the slaughter buyers away.



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    Advice on buying at the Addis Auction..... We have gone to this sale and bought horses a number of times, so I have a good bit of stuff to mention.

    First of all, the sale is split into sections. The Preferred Sale in on Friday, and these horses can have a reserve put on them by their owners. If the horse does not reach its reserve price - which they do not announce - the horse does not sell. The General Sale is on Saturday, and these horses do not have a reserve put on them. There is a minimum bid of $500, which Bill requires to rule out the bill buyers. There are normally a LOT of horses at this sale, and it takes someone who will do her homework to sort things out. They have a very good equine vet at the sale who has x-ray equipment with him and does a good pre-sale vet exam. They will start to list the horses online before the sale catalogue is mailed. Their web site ishttp://www.addisqeuineauctions.com and there is a contact email to request a catalogue.

    You have not said what sort of horse you are looking for; i.e., you want a bay gelding at least four years old, or a chestnut mare between the ages of six and ten. Are you just looking for a nice horse? A specific type of horse? I would strongly suggest that you try to narrow your preferences down so that you don't end up looking at 250+ horses!

    As the horses start to be listed, study the information, find those which interest you, and contact the owner for additional information. Ask them to contact the horse's regular vet and authorize the vet to release complete information to you. If they won't do this, cross that horse off your list. Ask the owner if they have sold horses thru this sale before, and when; if they have, get in touch with Bill Addis and ask what the horse sold for, so you will have an idea of the typical price range for a horse from that farm. Also ask him if there is anything he can/will tell you about the seller. Ask the seller for refrences from people who have bought horses from them before. The more info you have, the more you will be able to make an informed decision.

    Make sure you get your financial info to Bill well in advance of the sale, by the way. If you know how to go that sort of stuff, you can download the sale listing into an Excel file and then sort it, taking out some of the stuff, and print out a list of the horses that most interest you. Or you can mark the catalogue, and take it with you to the sale. I do both. It also helps if you have a friend whose judgement you trust, who does not have an emotional investment in seeing you get a horse, to go to the sale with you. If this isn't possible, you might want to find someone at the sale to mentor you a bit.

    I STRONGLY urge you to plan on arriving at the sale on Wednesday evening. Have a good breakfast Thursday morning. You will be on your feet a lot, and the barns can be cold, so dress in warm layers and wear your most comfortable warm boots. When you get to the sale, if you haven't been to one before, expect a bit of sensory overload. Just take a deep breath, jump in and walk thru all of the barns. I have found that about half the time, a horse that seemed great on paper just sort of fizzled out when I looked at it, and some of the ones that I hadn't considered jump out and 'speak' to me.

    Walk thru the barns, then go have lunch and think about something else, while your subconscious works things over. Then go back and look at the horses that interested you again. Ask for permission to go in the stall with the horse, and see how it acts. You may want to start setting up appointments with the sellers to see a horse lunged/worked/ridden and even to ride yourself if you are looking for a finished horse. Just remember that it takes a LONG time to look at a big number of horses.

    When you have your choices narrowed down a bit, go have dinner, and make some notes. Ask yourself what you liked the most and why. When the time comes to bid, don't let yourself get carried away, but don't be too timid either.

    And take a lot of money!



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    I actually would like to bring home the gelding that I didn't get a chance to go look at. I have always been around arabs of the crabbet bloodlines. This gelding is polish. There will be atleast 8 horses from the breeding farm that this gelding is coming from. I would really like to take one of these horses home with me.
    I am looking for an endurance prospect. I have always liked greys but the right horse does not need to be any certain color for me to bid. I want a horse with a great personality one that is not older as my gelding is getting up there. I have always liked my geldings better than my mares so I will look at gelding before mares.
    If anyone could give me advice on pedigrees to look for as far as endurance prospect that would be great.
    I have set my limit as far as bidding I know that some will be out of my range but I could also come home with a few with my price range looking at past results. My husband knows nothing of what my range is set at he is also not going with me (he is not a horse person) I may be staying in the barn on my return home.



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    Maybe you should pose the bloodline question on Ridecamp at http://www.endurance.net/
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    My 1/2 Arabian gelding was purchased through the 1999 Addis Equine Auction in Lexington, KY as a 3 year old. He is Polish Arabian, and I have been thrilled with him. My friend purchased a 1/2 Polish Arabian mare there as well and has done extremely well in endurance with her. It is a reputable auction and I would definitely buy there again. I know a lot of endurance riders who buy at the Addis auctions.

    Polish Arabians do well in endurance. Witez II is a good name to find in a Polish Arabian endurance horse's bloodline. I want to see pictures of the horse(s) you come home with!



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    Good luck with possibly bringing the new guy home. The prices at the Addis Auctions have certainly seemed to favor the buyer lately with many nice horses going for very reasonable prices, ($500-$700). You can check the prices of past sales at the Addis site.

    Historically, it seems that some of the best endurance horses have been Polish, Russian or CMK.

    There is quite a bit of endurance and Addis auction discussion at the Arabian Breeders Network Forum and Ablackhorse Forum.

    The information below was posted by John Schiewe at the Arabian Breeders Network Forum. Within this thread is a link to the AERC site from where you can do a horse lookup for competition results. Here is the link http://www.doublejoy.com/erol/Indivi...rseHistory.asp. Hopefully it works.

    Here's the link to John's discussion at ABN: http://www.arabianbreeders.net/Forum...is-t14475.html. And, a link to ABH: http://forums.ablackhorse.com/

    "Your mention of Ofir and Witez II prompted me to crank out a piece that I have intended to do for quite some time but have never gotten around to. For many years I have glanced at the results of the Tevis Cup in the most perfunctory manner and come to the conclusion that it was difficult to identify any bloodlines that seemed to be successful in that endeavor to the level that the Witez II blood was in the early years of endurance racing. Last year when I glanced at the results of the Tevis Cup it seemed that a case could be made for certain bloodlines coming to the fore with much more frequency than could be ascribed to "luck of the draw." For sure the blood of Ofir is prevalent in the winnners last year. I might give a slight edge to the Wielki Szlem branch (originally because I felt that Witez II and Wielki Szlem strongly resembled each other) but the Witraz blood can't be discounted either.

    Among last year's top ten Tevis Cup winners, seven were supposed to be purebred Arabians. I was able to confirm the pedigrees for 5 of those Arabians. The first thing that had prompted my interest was the the number of times that I knew Czort was in the pedigree of a horse that was mentioned among the top ten. Czort was by Wielki Szlem out of Forta. Czort also had a full sister, named Dyska, who was a very successful racer on the tracks of Poland as was Czort. 2007's Tevis Cup winner was CV Eli. His dam is a daughter of *Dunajec who was a son of Dyska. As a side note, one should not discount the contribution of Priboj to the winner, since his sire is the Russian bred Susdal who is a double grandson of the very athletic Priboj son, Sport. The third place horse was an actual son of *El Paso named Chase Thewind AH. (Thewind is run together for the registered name). Of course *El Paso is a direct son of Czort. The dam of Chase Thewind AH is a daughter of Firewind who is a son of *Bask and brings Witraz into play. The 7th place horse was Shes a Steele who is a daughter of Remington Steele a horse that is usually not thought of in Polish terms. However his dam is a *Karadjordje daughter. *Karadjordge brings in Ofir blood again through his dam Karramba a Witraz daughter and his sire's dam Gwara, a Wielki Szlem daughter. The dam of Shes a Steele is an *Aladdinn daughter out of a *Bask daughter which brings *Karadjordje into a play a second time, so one more dose of Wielki Szlem and Witraz and then with *Bask we have another cross to Witraz. The 8th place horse was Sancja who has quite a varied pedigree with Spanish, Egyptian, Polish, Russian and early American bred domestic horses. However, she also has a line to Czort through his son *Pentagon. Czort is a great, great grandfather of Sancja. The 10th place horse was Maksymilian who is an own son of *Europejczyk, who is a son of the Czort son *El Paso. The dam of Maksymilian has a ton of Ofir blood. The sire of the dam is MS Santana who is a *Bask son out of a *Sambor daughter. Since *Sambor is also a son of Czort we have two crosses to Czort represented in Maksymilian. The grandmother in the tail female line of Maksymilian is Miss Ellie a daughter of *Aladdinn (a cross to WS and 2 x Witraz as we've seen) and New Fashion. *New Fashion is a *Bask daughter and her dam is *Boltonka who brings in another line to Witraz through Bulgotka and Wielki Szlem through Angara.

    This information relates to a topic that I've mentioned to our other Jeff - (Jeff Wintersteen). That topic has to do with the fact that the Wielki Szlem/Czort blood is so successful at distances that might be characterized as mid distances but what would happen if those distances were extended? It is hard to argue with the concept that 100 miles is an extended distance. It seems clear that the Wielki Szlem/Czort blood seems to be like the energizer bunny - it keeps going and going.

    In the article in the AHW which prompted this thought there were also results for the Biltmore 2007 ride and the winner of the longer run was a son of Zambizy. While the winner in the shorter run was a son of *Rezus. *Rezus was a son of Celebes (another Witraz son) and out of a Czort daughter. Zambizy has a cross to Witraz through *Bask, 4 crosses to Wielki Szlem and for good measure 3 more crosses to Ofir through Wilga.

    This year's Tevis Cup has been cancelled due to the impact of the fires in that area of California. So we will have to wait to see if next year's winners have such a preponderance of Ofir blood.

    Getting back to Witez II - I agree with you again - he did not lend himself to successful line breeding unless one was looking for very specific performance qualities. I always thought that his son, Wisznu, who was foaled in Poland and had a very successful career in Germany was an exceedingly handsome horse and showed the strength of the broodmares available in Poland as opposed to the more varied genetic pool that characterized the horses in the U.S. in the 50's and 60's when Witez II was most active."



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    CLS,
    Your information is very interesting. My gelding's grand sire is Bask and his great grand sire is Ofir. I have only competed in limited distance with him, but he has done very well. My friend's mare is his full sister, and she has won the AERC National 100 mile championship in her weight class and was first overall. I am also impressed with that breeding for endurance, and it is my understanding that the Kuhailan-Haifi line is very athletic and does well in endurance (Kuhailan-Haifi was the sire of Ofir).

    For those who aren't familiar with this family (which was discussed in CLS's post), Kuhailan-Haifi was the sire of Ofir. Ofir sired (1) Witraz (who sired Bask), (2) Wielki Szlem (who sired Czort who sired El Paso) and (3) Witez II. Each of these Ofir sons has become famous in their own right and sired important offspring.

    I recall this being discussed on Ridecamp several years ago. At that time, one of the vocal participants was not impressed with the contributions of Bask to endurance, but in my limited experience, his offspring are athletic and well suited for endurance as long as the mares used were suited for sporthorse type activities, rather than halter.

    Onlyanarabian, do you know the pedigree of the horse you are interested in? Can you share it with us? You can check for your horse or his sire/dam at http://www.allbreedpedigree.com



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    Hi all,

    I was reading the above with interest, especially as it pertains to preferable endurance bloodlines; I had logged on originally to post a "where do I begin" endurance/competitive trail query, and am now wondering if one (or both) of my mares would be good candidates for this discipline, which I suppose is a better place to start....not to change the subject or anything, moreover, I wish only to add to it.

    My Arab mares' bloodlines are:

    Chase--9 year old gray mare: Europia x Silver Lining EA
    Europia is Europejczyk x Enaria (Aloes)
    Silver Lining EA is Fame VF x Inka (Diem)

    Jodi--15 year old bay mare: DBM Silladdinn x Hana of Nizzor
    DBM Silladdinn is Aladdinn x Char Glo Sillette (Silique)
    Hana of Nizzor is Lewisfield Nizzor x Hannah Lady Dorsa (Count Dorsaz)


    Both of my mares are in great health, have wonderful, unshod feet (farrier loves 'em), but have not been "trail" horses thus far in their lives. Chase (my mare) is very forward, is a real "floater", typey, intelligent, has spooked/shied on more than one occasion (LOL), and does not like water unless practically forced into it. She spent her life before entering mine as a show horse. She is definitely #1 around here, a take charge kind of mare. She can be a challenge at times, but I adore her. Its taken me a while to figure her out, but I think we have arrived at an understanding, lol. She is quite a mare. Her "determination", for lack of a better word, is such that I think she could make an excellent competitive trail partner. She can also go and GO.
    Jodi is sweet and kind, calm and sane, wise as an owl, with huge liquid eyes. She is my 12 year old daughter's horse, shown in 4-H--English--she possesses prodigious skill in taking care of my daughter, and has taught her (and me) so much. This mare has all of the qualities we all look for in a potential horse, and we love her dearly. She has no trail experience, but I feel like I could saddle her right up and take her out, no problem.

    My daughter and I both want to trail ride. Eventually (next year?), we would both like to enter the world of competitive trail riding. We both have no idea of how to begin. How do I transform a show horse into a trail horse?

    Thanks for reading,
    Melissa



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    Cls Thank you for the info. I have a much older gelding (30's) with a lot of those bloodlines that you mentioned in your post. He would of been my ideal endurance horse out of all the ones in the pasture now. I was a little young in his prime but rode him some. You could actually never ride him with a saddle without being bucked off. I believe it went back to him being hit by a car when he was young (hunters went into the pasture opening day leaving the gate opened).

    As soon as addis begins listing horses I will be doing my research and picking out a few to look at there. I plan on having a few picked out for bidding on so I don't go in and get outbid on my first choice. I can't seem to find the pedigree on the gelding that I want. But the other gelding that got shipped with him has a pedigree with a lot of the names from above. He was actually the horse that got me interested in her horses to begin with. She never gave me a price on him either so I assumed he was higher priced than I was willing to spend but he was also listed as a stallion.

    Once horses are listed for the auction I will probably be asking for a lot more advice. For now my wait continues. Thanks again to all that have given me great advice so far.



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    Some horses have been listed!(51) I have been trying to contact the woman with the gelding that took my interest as he or none of her others have been listed yet. So I will be starting my research for potential prospects. Something young (4-9) and started under saddle would be ideal.

    If anyone else will be attending this auction that is into endurance I sure would be happy for any advice on horses while there. I tend to be drawn to the misfits that nobody else wants. I plan on having checks done on the ones that I like best but would like the opinion of other endurance, Ct riders also.

    Thanks to everyone who can help me.



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    Hi Melissa,
    I believe my Arabian gelding, BW Aladorsaz, is from the same parents (DBM Silladdinn x Hana of Nizzor) as your mare BW Jodilee. I came across your mare Jodi while searching the ancestors on his pedigree.
    My gelding, Laddie, was born in June of 1992 in Mt Vernon, OH. I'm just curious if you still have Jodi and have any photos of her.
    Here's my email: davemacdonnell@comcast.net
    I live in Woodstock, Illinois. Any information is much appreciated!! Thanks a bunch,
    Carley MacDonnell



    Quote Originally Posted by affirmed View Post
    Hi all,

    I was reading the above with interest, especially as it pertains to preferable endurance bloodlines; I had logged on originally to post a "where do I begin" endurance/competitive trail query, and am now wondering if one (or both) of my mares would be good candidates for this discipline, which I suppose is a better place to start....not to change the subject or anything, moreover, I wish only to add to it.

    My Arab mares' bloodlines are:

    Chase--9 year old gray mare: Europia x Silver Lining EA
    Europia is Europejczyk x Enaria (Aloes)
    Silver Lining EA is Fame VF x Inka (Diem)

    Jodi--15 year old bay mare: DBM Silladdinn x Hana of Nizzor
    DBM Silladdinn is Aladdinn x Char Glo Sillette (Silique)
    Hana of Nizzor is Lewisfield Nizzor x Hannah Lady Dorsa (Count Dorsaz)


    Both of my mares are in great health, have wonderful, unshod feet (farrier loves 'em), but have not been "trail" horses thus far in their lives. Chase (my mare) is very forward, is a real "floater", typey, intelligent, has spooked/shied on more than one occasion (LOL), and does not like water unless practically forced into it. She spent her life before entering mine as a show horse. She is definitely #1 around here, a take charge kind of mare. She can be a challenge at times, but I adore her. Its taken me a while to figure her out, but I think we have arrived at an understanding, lol. She is quite a mare. Her "determination", for lack of a better word, is such that I think she could make an excellent competitive trail partner. She can also go and GO.
    Jodi is sweet and kind, calm and sane, wise as an owl, with huge liquid eyes. She is my 12 year old daughter's horse, shown in 4-H--English--she possesses prodigious skill in taking care of my daughter, and has taught her (and me) so much. This mare has all of the qualities we all look for in a potential horse, and we love her dearly. She has no trail experience, but I feel like I could saddle her right up and take her out, no problem.

    My daughter and I both want to trail ride. Eventually (next year?), we would both like to enter the world of competitive trail riding. We both have no idea of how to begin. How do I transform a show horse into a trail horse?

    Thanks for reading,
    Melissa



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    If you don't wind up finding what you want there, Lapco Arabians (find them on the horse of your dreams website) bred my Polish boy. I'll post his pedigree when I'm not on my phone, but he's an awesome trail/endurance horse. He recovers super quick, holds condition well and is incredibly sensible. He's only 7, but I foxhunt on him, do endurance, he learned to cut cattle last year, etc. I couldn't be happier with him! He stays sensible even when all the other horses are going bonkers at hunts or rides. I ride him bitless in basically a glorified halter in most situations.

    He's typey Bask lines. His sire was Commoashun. If you want to look him up on allbreed before I get home tonight his name is Comokado.



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