[dani0303]

I'm looking at a possible free lease on a broodmare owned by a friend. She is big mover and huge bodied and very nicely dressage bred. She's produced a foal already who is coming 3 and is very balanced. Foal will be aimed at eventing but could succeed in pretty much anything. The mare has jumped a little bit and does have some natural ability.
Pedigree:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/inde...mall_font=1&l=
Pics:
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._2011406_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._1669490_n.jpg
(Best Confo shot I can find)
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._4325262_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._4661420_n.jpg

I'm looking to produce a jumper foal. I'm looking at more modern type stallions with a lot of TB blood to lighten her up. Any suggestions? Am I crazy to try and get a jumper out of these lines? Would I be better off looking for a hunter stallion?

Ideal foal would be a 1.30-1.40 jumper. It would be a horse for me as my gelding is getting older.

[JB]

Is that first pseudo-confo pic of her showing her feet accurately? She looks to have minimally a low grade club foot - more than just a bit of a high/low syndrome going on, and for that reason alone I wouldn't breed her

Does her kid have that as well?

[dani0303]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...43573475_n.jpg
That's a better shot of her. Definitely not club footed.

[SCMSL]

Looking at her pedigree alone, she is bred dual-purpose. So if you ignore the mare all together, those bloodlines could produce both jumping and dressage.

However, from your pics, she does have a more dressage like conformation, and I didn't really love her jumping pic.

Do you have a video of her jumping? Its actually more relevant in producing a jumper foal then her bloodlines by themselves. Jumping ability is a lot more hereditary then dressage ability.

Having that said, I totally agree with JB's somment:

Is that first pseudo-confo pic of her showing her feet accurately? She looks to have minimally a low grade club foot - more than just a bit of a high/low syndrome going on, and for that reason alone I wouldn't breed her

[dani0303]

I don't have a jumping video and have not seen the mare in person. She is in NC and I am in CO. The lease would be with the owner. I'm glad to hear she's dual purpose bred. I don't know much about Hano lines (as opposed to SF and Hols.)

The 2yo filly has been free jumped and is very tidy.
Here is the baby as a yearling
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...5_988730_n.jpg

[JB]

Thanks for the new pic. Still a bit of high/low, but certainly not what was deceiving in the first picture That said, I'd be very sure to pick a stallion with really good feet who also passes that on

[SportArab]

Curious what it is about her conformation that says dressage to you rather than jumping. I'd have thought she looked like she'd make a fine jumper.

Looking at her pedigree alone, she is bred dual-purpose. So if you ignore the mare all together, those bloodlines could produce both jumping and dressage.

However, from your pics, she does have a more dressage like conformation, and I didn't really love her jumping pic.

Do you have a video of her jumping? Its actually more relevant in producing a jumper foal then her bloodlines by themselves. Jumping ability is a lot more hereditary then dressage ability.

Having that said, I totally agree with JB's somment:

[RyTimMick]

More upright shoulder, shaved off croup and upright hind end. This is not a mare for breeding jumpers.

Tim

[Molly Malone]

If you want to breed a jumper, then breed a mare that is bred to jump and can jump herself. Jumping is *highly* heritable. The poster Krallen is near Fort Collins - why not ask if she might lease one of her broodmares - you'd be able to see the baby grow!

[SportArab]

More upright shoulder, shaved off croup and upright hind end. This is not a mare for breeding jumpers.

Tim

I wouldn't say those are traits that predispose for dressage, either.

[dani0303]

If you want to breed a jumper, then breed a mare that is bred to jump and can jump herself. Jumping is *highly* heritable. The poster Krallen is near Fort Collins - why not ask if she might lease one of her broodmares - you'd be able to see the baby grow!

Thanks!! This is kind of what I was looking for. Bummer. I'll contact Krallen. I'd be looking at maybe a 2015 foal since I don't really have the budget for a baby at the moment

[sniplover]

]I'd be looking at maybe a 2015 foal since I don't really have the budget for a baby at the moment

Definitely save up then and skip this "opportunity" - remember that whole line about there being "nothing free in life"? Foals can be as expensive as they are cute -_- Way easier to have the risk be on the breeder's end (like Krallen, for example) rather than in your lap with your friend's horse.

[Maryanne Nicpon]

In this economy, there are lots of breeders who are looking to either sell or lease very good mares. I have one out on a lease right now and may lease another in 2013. If you want something who will produce jump, I think you can do better than this mare. I'd suggest looking at some Holsteiner mares with good production records.

[szipi]

Holsteiner stallion, Lotus T is 70% TB and produces very leggy, elegant foals that always jump exceptionally well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4SfHHhoc_8

[equusaround]

Agreed. I thought she was too light behind to be a good dressage prospect at the very least. I'd also want a bigger motor for a jumper and her jumping photos don't show a lot of apptitude to me.

I wouldn't say those are traits that predispose for dressage, either.

[Krallen]

Thanks for mentioning me Molly Malone :-)