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    rest assured i am reading all these posts. i am a bit tenacious, i don't give up on a horse or a rider or the AA initiative. i truly believe there is undiscovered talent within the AA ranks, we all deserve a chance to pursue our dreams but we also need to contemplate what are the top 10 items the AA's want. once the laundry list is identified, then off to "usdf court" to plead our case. :-) every usdf member must have access to every clinician, every symposium, every championship, every program. the gmo's are not all wealthy. :-) every gmo either steps up to help their membership in a big or small way. a gmo is as good as its leadership.



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    personally, i think one of the most important things a rider can do is watch good, correct riding. So i just don't get why the USDF (which is funded by ALL members) limits education to certain folks..... especially education that will show correct riding.

    as a life long Ammie the hardest thing has been finding good trainers to work with. We have a dearth of educated trainers that know how to bring along average horses....



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    Quote Originally Posted by js View Post
    Of the 37,000 USDF members how many belong to the 117 active GMO's? That's a lot of people and not many GMO's so I'm guessing a fair few do not belong to GMO's? Is that due to lack of access to one locally or other reason? I ask because we always get the response to get involved and volunteer with your GMO, so I'm curious at the number of members v/s GMO's.
    That is an interesting question! I know some of those GMOs are quite large - I belong to CDS, and our membership is somewhere between 3500 and 4000 people. There are a few others that are big too - but many GMOs are under 500 people. Our GMO is so big, it is divided into much smaller "chapters" which range from 20 people up to several hundred people, and make it easier to address area needs. Most chapters are based on regions within our very large state.

    Putting on a UDSF educational program is a huge undertaking, and a smaller GMO may struggle to pull it off. And it can be a huge financial risk - if you can't attract the auditors and participants, you can lose money. OTOH - there are grants available - our GMO has educational grants, and USDF has grants. Unfortunately, this is another area where the money isn't always fairly distributed - applying for these grants requires knowledge and manpower! So it is often the same groups that are awarded the money over and over because they have the process down. So, again, it falls on the GMO membership - I'm not complaining about this, but figure it is a good time to get the word out - there is money out there if your smaller GMOs are worried about financial risk!

    Back to original question - what if USDF offered a grant every year to each GMO for educational events - something with a very easy application that was emailed out to the GMO Board each January - hey guys, this is available, let us know your plans, and we'll "yay" or "nay" ahead of time so you know if you have the $. Award money based on size of GMO - with a larger $/person to the smaller GMOs (perhaps $4,000 for a GMO under 250 people, $7,000 for a GMO up to 1000 people, and $10,000 for the bigger GMOs)? Those amounts are totally arbitrary of course,but it is enough to pay for a decent educational event, and two or three events at a larger GMO. Just a thought.... And maybe UDSF could require or recommend it tie in to one of their educational offerings (such as L Program sessions A - D, Instructor Cert, DSHB program, etc).



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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticOakRanch View Post
    That is an interesting question! I know some of those GMOs are quite large - I belong to CDS, and our membership is somewhere between 3500 and 4000 people. There are a few others that are big too - but many GMOs are under 500 people. Our GMO is so big, it is divided into much smaller "chapters" which range from 20 people up to several hundred people, and make it easier to address area needs. Most chapters are based on regions within our very large state.
    That info is on the USDF website - it was really weird. Region 1 has 15 GMO's each has around 100 members (with one large group of 1000), Region 2's 15 GMO's had around 200 members, region 3 - 300, region 4 - 400 region 5 500......held true up to region 9 where the GMO's had around 900. many regions had 1 or two large GMO's with around 1000 members (CDS is listed as 700 - of course it is in region 7)

    Sorry I'm a number pattern geek

    http://www.usdf.org/clubs/list.asp?r...9&Typepass=GMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by ToN Farm View Post
    First, are we sure USDF is losing AA membership? Seriously, I really do not know. If they are losing AA membership, is it mostly for the same reason, or are there a variety of reasons? I wrote earlier that I am not renewing. My reason is I'm really not planning on showing anymore. It's not because of show fees; it's because of the cost of a nice horse and training. USDF can't help with that. Show fees are a drop in the bucket compared to the price of a good horse and training, not to mention all the upkeep involved with owning a sporthorse.
    Bingo. I find it interesting that people complain about the fees or say that it's the couple hundred bucks paying for membership that is the problem. In this sport? I don't even notice $50 anymore, considering it costs thousands and thousands just to have a horse at all, never-mind a "show horse".

    I have actually gotten memberships on and off for the USEF/USDF/CDS magazines (which IMO are great). And CDS has 20% off events at a local tack shop.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticOakRanch View Post
    ...
    Back to original question - what if USDF offered a grant every year to each GMO for educational events - something with a very easy application that was emailed out to the GMO Board each January - hey guys, this is available, let us know your plans, and we'll "yay" or "nay" ahead of time so you know if you have the $. ...).
    And THIS is why it is good to know your resources.

    The Dressage Foundation DOES offer grants for educational events.


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    for folks who live with a really tight budget - every $$ really counts. and if i have to choose between training and showing i will pick training every single time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dudleyc View Post
    That info is on the USDF website - it was really weird. Region 1 has 15 GMO's each has around 100 members (with one large group of 1000), Region 2's 15 GMO's had around 200 members, region 3 - 300, region 4 - 400 region 5 500......held true up to region 9 where the GMO's had around 900. many regions had 1 or two large GMO's with around 1000 members (CDS is listed as 700 - of course it is in region 7)

    Sorry I'm a number pattern geek

    http://www.usdf.org/clubs/list.asp?r...9&Typepass=GMO
    We've laughed about UDSF's numbers before, they are so inaccurate. I can't speak for other GMOs, but CDS's membership roster lists about 3,000 members, and it isn't complete because it doesn't list the people who join after their roster print deadline (I think it is Dec 31) - so all the people who don't bother joining until it is time to show are excluded from the roster. Based on their budget line for payments to USDF for GMO membership, they were at about 3,500 last year.

    According to USDF's numbers, Hawaii has way more members then California - no offense to HI, but they don't have that many people and horses!

    Anyway, a bit of a side note, but why list numbers when they are not even close to reality? I'm a numbers person too, and bad numbers make me grumpy



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    Quote Originally Posted by mjhco View Post
    And THIS is why it is good to know your resources.

    The Dressage Foundation DOES offer grants for educational events.
    Yes, I do know this, but my point - why not offer one "easy grant" every year - don't make the GMOs go searching for it and file endless amounts of paperwork - but email them at the beginning of the year and offer up one "easy grant" to help kickstart the education? Set some basic requirements, some very simple paperwork - what we call a "Block Grant" in the public sector, meaning it is not as restrictive, not as much red tape, and it has one goal - in this case, member education.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mbm View Post
    for folks who live with a really tight budget - every $$ really counts. and if i have to choose between training and showing i will pick training every single time.
    Seriously, if someone has such a tight budget that $300 over the course of a year is make or break it, they need to seriously re-consider their chosen sport. They certainly cannot claim they would be out showing if it wasn't for those fees.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticOakRanch View Post
    We've laughed about UDSF's numbers before, they are so inaccurate. I can't speak for other GMOs, but CDS's membership roster lists about 3,000 members, and it isn't complete because it doesn't list the people who join after their roster print deadline (I think it is Dec 31) - so all the people who don't bother joining until it is time to show are excluded from the roster. Based on their budget line for payments to USDF for GMO membership, they were at about 3,500 last year.

    According to USDF's numbers, Hawaii has way more members then California - no offense to HI, but they don't have that many people and horses!

    Anyway, a bit of a side note, but why list numbers when they are not even close to reality? I'm a numbers person too, and bad numbers make me grumpy
    I remember, the chair of my GMO (NEDA) being on dressage radio and stating that NEDA was the second larget after CDS. But according to USDF, NEDA has only 805 members - making it the 2nd smallest in region 8 (14 GMO's ranges from 804-840).....(Its really odd that the numbers of the GMOs members reflect the region number.) But they must do something to prevent a person from being counted twice - for instance, I used to be a member of CVDA and NEDA.



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    My GMO averages 100-150 members. Please realize that your GMO is not magical, it cannot create facilities, it cannot clone willing volunteers, it cannot be everything to everyone.

    What have you done lately to support your GMO? And what does your GMO do that you just love...I sense a spin off brewing



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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfect Pony View Post
    Seriously, if someone has such a tight budget that $300 over the course of a year is make or break it, they need to seriously re-consider their chosen sport. They certainly cannot claim they would be out showing if it wasn't for those fees.

    how about putting it this way - i choose to spend my available extra funds on education. at this time there is no benefit for me to spend the needed $$ to show rated.

    in the future that might change. but right now it all goes to training/education.



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    Quote Originally Posted by katarine View Post
    My GMO averages 100-150 members. Please realize that your GMO is not magical, it cannot create facilities, it cannot clone willing volunteers, it cannot be everything to everyone.

    What have you done lately to support your GMO? And what does your GMO do that you just love...I sense a spin off brewing
    Are you in region 1? (As according to the USDF infor the only GMOs with members in the 100's are in region 1 - and this is, obviously, messing with my head)



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    No, Region 3.

    You have to remember the 2013 (initial) rosters were mailed in to USDF in Nov/Dec and that is what gets put on the USDF site.

    Loads of people don't bother to renew until show season is looming, so Feb/March. By mid-2012 we had about 120 members. USDF updates the roster data when?...I'm not sure.



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    Georgia DCTA has 300 recorded members on their initial roster, Deep South (Ocala), 151



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    Questions about the organization are usually posted in an annual report. I have been looking to see the current tally of USDF membership. Nowhere to be found so my numbers are probably very dated.

    Things like growth (or not) of membership, financials, accomplishments of the organization, plans for the coming year, CEO/President's message are items discussed in an annual report.

    Anyone know where or if it exists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbm View Post
    how about putting it this way - i choose to spend my available extra funds on education. at this time there is no benefit for me to spend the needed $$ to show rated.

    in the future that might change. but right now it all goes to training/education.
    My comment was not aimed at you in particular fwiw, but mainly to people in general that complain about the fees. I just mean, if a few hundred bucks a year to support the several organizations that make all the programs possible is what is standing in your way of showing, it might be time to re-evaluate your budget and riding goals.

    As you have pointed out, there are schooling shows. And if one is in an area where dressage is expensive, maybe try another discipline? I actually started gravitating towards dressage because it's so much cheaper around here than hunters, which is what I would rather be doing. Although I always rode with trainers with strong dressage backgrounds. Around here the H/J barns are expensive and very exclusive, with show requirements that would cost tens of thousands in themselves!

    I just wish there was a true AA class for dressage, like in the hunters. For example, a AA hunter goes very differently than the hunters in the professional classes - a little less forward, a flatter jump, their general way of going and ridability is judged differently than the professional classes. At an average A show a nice horse can pin well in the AA class. Where a pro class needs a more forward round, more brilliance, a spectacular jump, etc..



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    Seriously, if someone has such a tight budget that $300 over the course of a year is make or break it, they need to seriously re-consider their chosen sport. They certainly cannot claim they would be out showing if it wasn't for those fees.

    I'm afraid I'm with mbm right down the line. Also I am one where $300 can be a make it or break it. I CAN claim it to be a contributing reason for not showing which was particularly true when I had two kids in diapers. I did choose to show at the schooling shows only due to the costs and later when I got a bonus, was able to show at a recognized show at the end of the year....paid as a non-member because for one show that was more feasible. It wasn't planned. I got lucky; but, there are plenty of us who are serious about dressage that watch our pennies right down the line. I owe on my house only, nothing else. My husband is very, very careful with our debt; so, I literally have to have the cash in hand in order to show. That is the way we choose to manage our money...so keep insisting what "we" can or cannot claim.... just because you're choices and situation is different it doesn't make it true for everyone.

    Your comments are very exclusionary (and that's putting it nicely). When I was younger and starting out in dressage (switched from hunters, recently out of school and an internship) I use to get told all the time that people with kids didn't "do" dressage. People who didn't have "x" should look elsewhere, yada, yada, yada.....Didn't "listen" to them then and I'm sure not going to be told to assume my appointed position now either...I'll continue to stay in this sport/discipline/whatever and manage my finances as best I can, picking and choosing where I will spend my money....I will also be very upfront when the question is posed as to why I make the choices I do.
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    Sorry exvet, I don't understand having multiple horses then claiming just $300 is what is keeping someone from showing at rated USEF/USDF shows! Should the memberships be free? If they were just $100 cheaper then miraculously someone could afford to show? If an entry for a class was $30 instead of $50 would that make it affordable...given the cost of having horses?

    Most people I know don't think twice about spending hundreds a year on coffee. When someone who owns multiple horses claims a few hundred in club memberships is the make or break it cost of HORSE SHOWING, I call BS.


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