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    Oh right, I get it - it's fiction then, just a story (NB: in no way am I belittling fiction writers, just making a distinction).
    where am I, what day is it, am I still having a good time?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pony grandma View Post
    Who? said that here?? Must be the baggage that you are bringing onto this post.



    >Nobody here reacted badly to the values in the essay. Where do you get this idea - it's the disillusionment of the authorship that they object to.



    >Well if you had written it and signed it as written by YOU, without the fake appearances, then you'd probably not have had this problem.
    I'm not sure where you get that I make fake appearances. I DID sign it complete with copyright notices. People steal it and REMOVE my name and then claim they wrote it. I have NEVER shared it under any other name. I had NEVER posted it under any other name. If it's listed somewhere under another attribute it's because someone decided to be dishonest and steal it. It's listed on my website under my name, in the US Library of Congress under my name and everywhere else official, including the Breyer site under my name. Anywhere without my name is theft plain and simple.
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    Uh no, I wrote it for my actual daughter as a present for her 16th birthday, printed, signed and dated. I wanted to tell her how proud I was of her and all that she had become. and to help her understand when the other parents and kids around here just didn't get how valuable her horses were, emotionally and morally.
    She's learned a few things since the article got shared around without permission. She's learned people will lie, steal, make accusations, justify misbehavior and work in a mob mentality even though they know they are wrong. She's gotten nasty emails from people she has never met, because they are angry that they aren't allowed to use her article. Instead of confronting me, they went after a child, because bullies always go after the weak.
    Despite all of this she has been generous with her time and energy and has allowed the use of her article by therapeutic riding programs and has even donated signed and printed copies to riding groups to auction off or give as prizes. So she really does embody the article and she IS the personification of why it was written. I could not ask for a better daughter.
    We've both learned from this experience. I will not ever post the tributes to my mother, the eulogy to my mentor, or any of my other equine related poetry because of the potential for mis-use and theft. They will remain within the family for us to enjoy without fear of the harassment and bullying that this article resulted in.
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    Whoa - to myself and all of us - let's take a step back to clarify.

    I have never seen this essay before. so I've never seen it printed out with your credits. Was it written as an essay titled from (you) the Mother? vs this version 'From the Father'?

    No one here is disputing your claim to authorship.
    The truth is what you can get other people to believe.

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    I don't get it.

    Why are you guys pissed at trinityapp and sure that she/he has no scruples (misled you to believe that she/he had) because she/he asked the OP to take down the link to that essay?

    What's all the hubbub, bub?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinityapp View Post
    I generally start with a nice request to please remove it. However, this tends to blow people up for some reason, because they feel the internet means FREE and they have a right to anything on it.
    What cheapens the story is the theft, not my defense of my property. Anyone that truly wishes to know where the story came from can search google and find it in about 2 seconds. I'm sure we all read things that inspire us, I happen to be fond of Dr. Deb Bennett, but I would NEVER steal her articles and post them somewhere else, regardless of how much I admire them. And I've seen her responses to the mis-use of her articles and it is NOT pretty.
    And for the record, people DO claim ownership. I've had to shut down the production of posters, cups, a kid's book and t-shirts because people stole it and were selling it. Thankfully, I have a good attorney and all the documentation from the day of creation so it's pretty easy to do. The problem with posting things on open forums like this is that everyone can just cut and paste away. I've had to have the article removed from porn sites where it was being used to lure children in. Should I have been nice about it and let them use it, just because it would "cheapen" the article to get mad? Or should I protect my work, and endless children by siccing a lawyer on them?
    Until someone has dealt with this issue for four years like I have they really do not understand how wearing it is to be constantly on alert for the mis-use of your property. It's like having to hire an armed guard to stand outside your horse's stall 24/7 so everyone that likes him doesn't take him for a ride.
    I want to feel sympathy for you, I really do. Because stealing someone else's work is a big deal. and most people in the horse world realize that, especially with photo's. But you make it impossible to feel a shred of sympathy for you. If your daughter was "bullied", it was because you made a big, old krayzee stink over it. Poor kid.

    If I wrote something and people were so moved by it, I would be flattered. If people wanted to put it on t-shirts and coffee cups, darn it, I would figure out a way to cash in on it or I would just choose to get a kick that people think enough of it to pay money for it. It would be one or the other but it would not be this crazy and constant state of vigilance over who was sharing it.
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    I think if there are any on this board who are professional writers, you might very well have time to stop the misuse of your articles. This is why the Patent Office was created, to protect genuine creations of the human mind. Who the heck cares if she called it from the father, the son or the holy ghost? These days people do not care because they do not use their own mind for independent creations, usually they are too busy texting, fishing on the internet, watching television, or posting on chat boards non stop to sit and take the time to do real research, nevermind write a thoughtful and comprehensive article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calamber View Post
    I think if there are any on this board who are professional writers, you might very well have time to stop the misuse of your articles. This is why the Patent Office was created, to protect genuine creations of the human mind. Who the heck cares if she called it from the father, the son or the holy ghost? These days people do not care because they do not use their own mind for independent creations, usually they are too busy texting, fishing on the internet, watching television, or posting on chat boards non stop to sit and take the time to do real research, nevermind write a thoughtful and comprehensive article.
    Oh no.
    I have very much em-or sympathy for anybody who creates original thoughts who are ab-and misused on the net.

    I did join the shortlived FB group to support Photographers against theft of their work by people too cheap to buy their pictures.

    Yes, it sucks when people willfully steal your work.

    however the OP did share what she thought to be inspirational with the expessed note that she did n ot know the originator.
    Shame on her for liking something well enough to share it.
    Personally, I am tickled pink when people like my work.
    No, I don't write for a living, and my pictures are mostly miss rather than hit, but if my work made an impact, I am thrilled.

    No, I do not condone people claiming it as their own, but the OP clearly did not do that.

    Instead we hear how author lady has such a hard time, but a good lawyer.
    Is she hinting around that she will suit us?
    Oh well.

    More power to her, I suppose.
    Personally I find her demeanor rather off putting.
    Meanin I will make sure to stir clear of her and her work in the futur, be it free or paid.
    Nice PR work, really.

    Is she in the right?
    I guess.
    Is she being unfortunate in her choice of action in this case?
    I think so.
    I guess the Beetlejuice referrence did not help much lessen the impact.
    Normally - and there are many professional writers on COTH, and photographers - a short 'hi, I wrote this' would have netter her a nice warm welcome and a loyal following.

    oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pony grandma View Post
    Whoa - to myself and all of us - let's take a step back to clarify.

    I have never seen this essay before. so I've never seen it printed out with your credits. Was it written as an essay titled from (you) the Mother? vs this version 'From the Father'?

    No one here is disputing your claim to authorship.

    Yes. The copyrighted name is Because My Daughter Grew Up With Horses. From what I can tell the "father" version came about from an Australian Pony Club newsletter where someone switched the title to hide the use of copyrighted material. However, the search engines always pull up the "Because My Daughter Grew Up With Horses" phrase and alert me to where it is posted, which is how I found it here. Despite the change of title it does not change the ownership of the piece. And as you can see by the blog link you posted, it does look like it was written by Christy Anderson, because it says "written by Christy Anderson. She assuredly did NOT write it.
    And despite the claims that it existed prior to my copyright, that's a complete lie. There is NO posting of this article prior to Jan 21st, 2008, as that is the exact date it was written. People have searched high and low to try to prove different and there is NO time stamped page on the www where it exists. I still have the laptop I wrote it on, complete with the original time stamped file.
    If people are fair, which I hope they are, they will understand my exasperation with the constant claims of authorship, the alteration of the title, trying to sell it on products etc. Anne Sewell needs to be glad that the internet did not exist when Black Beauty was written or 10,000 people would claim authorship and pass it around like it was a used newspaper.
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    You would probably understand the constant vigilance more if you'd had your work used on a porn site, with your kid's picture, stolen from your website, in order to lure children to it. Until you click a link and get taken into a site that is so horrific and disgusting, that you want to throw up, you REALLY do not know how bad it feels. I watch it to keep other predators from using it, and unfortunately I don't feel flattered that they think my article is great bait for children.
    As for kick-backs, no, the thieves think they should reap all the rewards from my work. It's cost me more in legal fees than I will ever make off of it.
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    But trinityapp, how did your essay get onto the interwebz in the first place?

    You knew that you'd have a snowball's chance of collecting royalties once is was there, right?

    The person in Australia is the one who took the essay from you somehow, deleted the by-line and copyright mark and posted it? If so, that's the person with whom you have a beef. But I don't see the purpose of asking every person who reposts it to take it down. Won't that cost you more in time and effort than it's worth?

    Forgive my ignorance. I haven't been in your spot before.
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    MVP, go back in her history and search the many other threads where she's been way less than pleasant over this piece. I'm not even positive that all her appearances on this board are accounted for under that name.

    She has a history. A nasty one.
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    I believe that it is your work and you have the right to take it down if you so choose.

    However, could you tell me your real name since neither of the links in your signature work? I would like to be sure never to purchase anything that you have wrote. I prefer to keep the illusion that the authors I read have manners.


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    It baffles me how you could write something so insightful, yet miss the message it contains. Thank you would have been a better response in my opinion.


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    Those of us who remember the post the last time this was posted on here won't forget the sheer craziness that ensued. It even lead to new COTH terminology and merchandise that could be purchased! http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?265256 The COTH experience was actually mild compared to the drama and threatening of lawsuits when she came on another horse board that I frequent-- I can't even remember how many times in the fiasco that she threatened to sue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Spot View Post
    MVP, go back in her history and search the many other threads where she's been way less than pleasant over this piece. I'm not even positive that all her appearances on this board are accounted for under that name.

    She has a history. A nasty one.

    Seriously? I have NEVER posted on this board as anything but my real name.
    As for a nasty history, that's subjective to the point of view of the people stealing from me, and the people condoning it, despite the fact they know it is wrong.
    And I am always pleasant until people attack me for protecting what is legally mine, as any other person would do.

    I do appreciate the private notes from people that understand and who don't want to risk a public drubbing from the wolf pack mentality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMacallister View Post
    I believe that it is your work and you have the right to take it down if you so choose.

    However, could you tell me your real name since neither of the links in your signature work? I would like to be sure never to purchase anything that you have wrote. I prefer to keep the illusion that the authors I read have manners.
    Uh, my real name is in my signature and my farm link works fine, I just clicked it from the previous post. I don't hide or post as anybody but myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Spot View Post
    MVP, go back in her history and search the many other threads where she's been way less than pleasant over this piece. I'm not even positive that all her appearances on this board are accounted for under that name.

    She has a history. A nasty one.
    Thanks for explaining the hubbub, Longbub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp View Post
    Thanks for explaining the hubbub, Longbub.
    No probub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M.K.Smith View Post
    Those of us who remember the post the last time this was posted on here won't forget the sheer craziness that ensued. It even lead to new COTH terminology and merchandise that could be purchased! http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?265256 The COTH experience was actually mild compared to the drama and threatening of lawsuits when she came on another horse board that I frequent-- I can't even remember how many times in the fiasco that she threatened to sue.


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