The Chronicle of the Horse
MagazineNewsHorse SportsHorse CareCOTH StoreVoicesThe Chronicle UntackedDirectoriesMarketplaceDates & Results
 
Results 1 to 16 of 16
  1. #1

    Default Seeking Opinions: Maiden mare pregnant or not?

    I know it can be tough to tell, because every mare is different, but I have very little experience with breeding and am looking for opinions. This is a 6 yr Anglo mare, 15.2hh, maiden. She was difficult to tell if she was in heat, so the vet ultrasounded and timed the breeding including a shot. She was bred once in June on a perfectly timed cover (ultrasounded and given a shot by the vet) and checked at 21ish days as not pregnant. At that point the vet said she looked reproductively immature. She didn't come back into noticeable heat, so she was never re-bred. However, her personality changed late summer and she has been somewhat witchy since. She was always sweet including to other horses. She actually went after my gelding a week or two ago who is by far the alpha. He looked at her like she lost her mind and then proceeded to put her back in place. These are some pics from today. Please excuse the dirt. Also, the dropped fetlocks in back are due to a serious injury as a youngster not conformation. The question is Well Fed or Pregnant???

    http://equus-webdesign.com/sadie/sadie1.jpg
    http://equus-webdesign.com/sadie/sadie2.jpg



  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jan. 2, 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    2,189



  3. #3
    Join Date
    Feb. 2, 2003
    Location
    Wynnewood, Oklahoma
    Posts
    5,195

    Default

    The only way you can tell 100% if a mare is pregnant by looking at her and seeing feet coming out the back end . With that said, behavioral changes in late summer/winter are not unusual. Mares typically will go through a period of winter anestrus, so there are no circulating levels of progesterone. Consequently, they may appear laid back, more companionable with other horses, no witchy moments, etc. And, to make things more difficult, maiden mares, because things are not stretched out and relaxed, may not look pregnant all the way until the end of pregnancy and older, multiparous mares may ALWAYS look like they are ready to drop at any moment!

    I will say that some practitioners just are not good at identifying early pregnancies. So, my suggestion would be to have her checked again by someone that is well known for their reproductive breeding skills! Good luck!
    Equine-Reproduction.com Now offering one on one customized training!
    Leg-Up Equestrian Assistance Program, Inc. A 501(c)(3) non-profit charity


    2 members found this post helpful.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Nov. 5, 2004
    Posts
    487

    Default

    The vet was out early last month for fall shots and didn't mention she looked different and I wasn't really thinking about it. Lately, she seems to be expanding, so it has crossed my mind that maybe the pregnancy was missed. I could be seeing things though due to wishful thinking. I tried breeding a different mare for 3 years that would not take and ended up thoroughly disappointed.



  5. #5
    Join Date
    Sep. 2, 2005
    Location
    Upstate NY
    Posts
    11,770

    Default

    Definitely not something that we can tell from a couple of photos. Time to call the vet and have another discussion.


    1 members found this post helpful.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jun. 30, 2011
    Posts
    1,188

    Default

    You should have the vet check again. You just can't always tell with a maiden, and that is no old wive's tale. I had one mare bred and when checked, the vet said to me, "read my lips, no baby". When she was about 5 months along, I noticed a kick while she was eating. I called the vet, who sighed.., checked her reluctantly..voila...in foal.

    Another time, I had a mare checked by ultrasound by a really well-known vet, who told me she was absolutely not in foal. I gave her away and...voila..she foaled, but because I had signed her away..I could not get the foal.

    So, have her checked just in case.


    1 members found this post helpful.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Nov. 5, 2004
    Posts
    487

    Default

    Thanks for the feedback. I was planning on sending her to the breeder in late Jan; we can get an early start here in AZ. If she still looks suspicious, I'll have the vet out before heading to the breeder. I would think I should start seeing signs, foal moving, etc. by then. The plus is my property is isolated and I have no horses coming and going.

    The other part that is confusing was the vet's comment about her being reproductively immature. I find it odd that a 6 yr old would be immature. Anyone have insight into this?



  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov. 28, 2003
    Location
    MO
    Posts
    4,570

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sporthorse Shop View Post
    Thanks for the feedback. I was planning on sending her to the breeder in late Jan; we can get an early start here in AZ. If she still looks suspicious, I'll have the vet out before heading to the breeder. I would think I should start seeing signs, foal moving, etc. by then. The plus is my property is isolated and I have no horses coming and going.

    The other part that is confusing was the vet's comment about her being reproductively immature. I find it odd that a 6 yr old would be immature. Anyone have insight into this?
    None of us can tell you if the mare is pregnant; your guess is as good as ours! That being said, I would have a vet out to check her, and I would find a different vet that is more experienced at repro. There were some red-flags from your previous post; i.e. it doesn't sound like your mare was checked for ovulation. Also, was the 21 day check the first preg. check? Why so late? As far as what is meant by "reproductively immature", I would definitely ask your vet what was meant by that, but I think a second opinion is in order
    Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm."
    --Winston Churchill
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hills...h/112931293227
    www.HillsideHRanch.com


    1 members found this post helpful.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Nov. 5, 2004
    Posts
    487

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hillside H Ranch View Post
    None of us can tell you if the mare is pregnant; your guess is as good as ours! That being said, I would have a vet out to check her, and I would find a different vet that is more experienced at repro. There were some red-flags from your previous post; i.e. it doesn't sound like your mare was checked for ovulation. Also, was the 21 day check the first preg. check? Why so late? As far as what is meant by "reproductively immature", I would definitely ask your vet what was meant by that, but I think a second opinion is in order
    The 21ish day check was the first check. This was due to miscommunication somewhere between the breeder and the vet's staff. I was swamped with work and was not staying on top of everything. They actually called me to say she was pregnant and then called back to say that was the wrong horse and that my mare was missed in the farm visit. They are normally a very good office to work with, so I think they just had a lot going on that day. The reproductively immature comment worries me and makes me wonder if I have another difficult mare on my hands. I have been trying for years to get an Anglo foal and was hoping to finally have success.



  10. #10
    Join Date
    Mar. 8, 2004
    Location
    Baltimore, MD
    Posts
    19,611

    Default

    Your vet should have determined her reproductive maturity, whatever that is prior to breeding. Agree with the vet check as my gelding looks farther along in his pregnancy than she does!


    1 members found this post helpful.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Aug. 12, 2003
    Location
    canada
    Posts
    1,266

    Default

    I am suspicious of one of my mares as well.
    She was bred in early July and preg checked not in foal in late August. I think it was 40 days after breeding or so.
    Since then she has put on a lot of weight. More than she has while being a pasture puff the last two winters. She's also acting very strangely; the other day she put on a big display of mounting, kneeling next too, rubbing her neck on and overall molesting the round bale I had just put out for them. Maybe she's just hungry?
    She has had one foal before and is a petite mare so I would expect that she'll start showing a lot more if she is in foal. Can't decide if I should have the vet check her again or not. He is a very experienced repo vet. It would be a nice surprise if she were in foal!



  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jul. 23, 2010
    Posts
    70

    Default

    There must be something going around! I have one who checked open at 16 days that is getting quite chunky.........

    Maybe we all just have a big ol case of wishful thinking! I'm still having her rechecked :P



  13. #13
    Join Date
    Nov. 5, 2004
    Posts
    487

    Default

    Going into the holidays. We are all hoping for a surprise gift...lol!



  14. #14
    Join Date
    Jan. 28, 2002
    Location
    Alberta, Canada
    Posts
    4,562

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sporthorse Shop View Post
    These are some pics from today...The question is Well Fed or Pregnant???
    As others have mentioned, unfortunately, no one is going to be able to give you a yes or no based on photographs. (Especially with a maiden mare) I had a mare last year who has had multiple foals and up until one month before she foaled, she did NOT look pregnant at all. So much so that I had a bet with our vet as to whether she was pregnant or not. I knew she was, and she had been ultrasounded multiple times, but the mare just chose to hide that baby. That being said, I have another mare that we left open this year and she looks like she's carrying twins...and I know for sure she is open...and not fat

    The only way you are going to know for sure is to get a knowledgeable equine vet to ultrasound her.
    www.DaventryEquestrian.com
    Home of Welsh Pony, ISR/Oldenburg & RPSI pony stallions Daventry's Power Play, Goldhills Brandysnap LOM & Alvesta Picasso
    Also home to www.EquineAppraisers.com



  15. #15
    Join Date
    Oct. 31, 2009
    Location
    Minnesota
    Posts
    414

    Default

    I have nothing helpful to say other than echoing the posts above, but since I hadn't seen anyone else comment on it- your mare's facial marking is adorable! It looks just like a ribbon!
    The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done".



  16. #16
    Join Date
    Aug. 15, 2008
    Location
    Vermont
    Posts
    126

    Default

    Several years ago, a friend of mine tried to get her mare in foal. She was bred twice with fresh semen but the follow-up ultrasounds showed not in foal.
    My friend didn't try again after that but by springtime the mare was huge.
    She had her vet check her and sure enough there was a foal in there.
    So it can happen.



Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 17
    Last Post: Aug. 1, 2010, 09:28 PM
  2. Maiden Mare Aborted at 269 days after another mare foaled
    By retento in forum Sport Horse Breeding
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: Apr. 22, 2010, 05:47 PM
  3. pregnant maiden mare
    By hunterjumper22 in forum Sport Horse Breeding
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: Mar. 8, 2010, 11:53 AM
  4. Seeking opinions on Der Dau's
    By talkofthetown in forum Off Course
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: Aug. 5, 2009, 06:29 PM
  5. Travelling, training etc for the pregnant young maiden
    By Mozart in forum Sport Horse Breeding
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: Jun. 23, 2009, 11:47 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •