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    Default Crossbred Pony Stallions- Do you register the offspring?

    For those who stand crossbred pony stallions, do you register your foals? I'm thinking specifically of a smaller crossbred stallion that would usually get used with TB mares (or non full welsh mares). Do the offspring get registered? Does it matter to the buyers?



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    I don't think you're going to find a lot of crossbred stallions out there. Problem is, it is a gamble to cross them on TB or warmblood mares due to the finished heights of the foals being unpredictable and a gamble sometimes. You just never know when a hidden height is going to pop out. As well, unless it is a registered Half Welsh stallion or German Riding Pony, etc., you're not going to be able to register anything unless the stallion is approved with a registery, i.e. NASPR, ISR/Oldenburg, etc. or the mare is registered or a purebred. So, for example, if the crossbred stallion is not registered and he is bred to a registered TB mare who is not approved with any other registries, there is no way to register the foal, so it's a moot point.

    I think it also depends what your market is too. Most of the performance markets out there often don't care if they have papers....as long as they are pretty, can jump and move well and not kill a child, that's all that matters That being said, I'm finding more and more trainers are putting value on bloodlines, prefixes, siblings, etc.

    We bred to Blue Who last year, who would be considered a crossbred stallion - he is 7/8th Welsh. The mare we bred is registered Half Welsh, so we did register the foal Partbred Welsh with the American Welsh Society. It's $40, cheap and allows our foal to have a permanent record.
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    In the states and especially in Virginia, you'd want to register your foals. The Virginia Pony Breeders Association has wonderful incentives for that in performance (divisions offered at shows and an award at Pony Finals) so a resounding "YES" for registering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VirginiaBred View Post
    In the states and especially in Virginia, you'd want to register your foals. The Virginia Pony Breeders Association has wonderful incentives for that in performance (divisions offered at shows and an award at Pony Finals) so a resounding "YES" for registering.
    Totally forgot about the VPBA. For those breeding ponies in Virginia, this is a great and very active program. But for those outside of Virginia with crossbreds, there really is no program for them other than getting a Lifetime USEF number....unless you go the route of RPSI, ISR/Oldenburg, etc.
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    Thanks for the replies. I was thinking along the lines of a pony stallion like Blue Who. He has bloodlines that are highly desirable in pony hunterland and I was wondering what papers breeders get when he's not bred to a full welsh dam.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastjofast View Post
    Thanks for the replies. I was thinking along the lines of a pony stallion like Blue Who. He has bloodlines that are highly desirable in pony hunterland and I was wondering what papers breeders get when he's not bred to a full welsh dam.
    Unfortunately, Blue Who is not registered or approved with any registries, so there is no way to register the foals unless the dam has papers with a breed or registry, i.e. American Welsh, ISR/Oldenburg, RPSI, etc.

    As the majority of our ponies end up on the hunter circuit down in the U.S., we always make sure to register them USEF at birth. Of course, that doesn't stop a future owner from re-registering them with USEF under a different name, but I think having a USEF number already does help

    As I mentioned with our Hootie baby, our mare is registered Half Welsh with the WPCSA, so we got her WPCSA Partbred Welsh papers. She also has a USEF number. Her dam will be presented for RPSI approval next year....if I had more space in the trailer this year, we would have gotten our Hootie baby & dam inspected RPSI, but with taking two stallions for approval and a mare & foal already, I just couldn't handle any more ponies at the inspection

    Papers are great, and definitely icing on the cake...but at the same time, you can't ride papers. Initially when we bred to Blue Who, we knew there would be no way to register the foal. It wasn't until after our mare was safely in foal did we realize the WPCSA was going to add in a Partbred registry for 2012. We bred to Blue Who based on talent, bloodlines and his offspring currently showing in the hunters...and of course, Sandy (Sugarbrook) is an absolute darling to deal with! As we are not breeding specifically to produce breeding stock, all of the attributes listed are what come first for us, as we are strictly breeding for performance ponies!

    We will be breeding one of our mares in 2013 to a U.S. stallion who is a non-Welsh. Again, whether we could get papers on the foal or not did not factor into the equation. We chose the stallion based on the hopes that the foal will jump the moon!
    Last edited by Daventry; Dec. 10, 2012 at 05:35 PM. Reason: added info.
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