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  1. #1
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    Default Thoughts on this doggy situation

    Would like some feedback on this situation that my mom is going through.

    9 months ago, my mom took in a little dog that "belongs" to my uncle's GF's daughter. Prior to my mom taking him, he was with my uncle for 9 months.

    Prior to the past 18 months, the dog (now 4) went unneutered, rarely saw the vet, and was left at home, alone, for long stretches of time. He also had a bad case of wanderlust (probably hormone induced) and frequently ran off. The so called owner gave him to my uncle to "foster", then basically lost interest, rarely checking in on the dog, not helping with any bills, etc, etc.

    My mom took the dog on, as my uncle has 5 of his own, and the last of my mom's old pair had past away a few months prior. She was lonely and missed having a dog and this guy is AWESOME. There may have been some discrepancy, initially about whether she was taking over the dog's ownership, or if she, too, was just fostering.

    9 months on, and Mom has put $1500 in vet and grooming bills into this dog (neutering, general care, some care for skin allergies, and regular grooming sessions). She ADORES him, and he her. She is retired, so is home with him all day most days. He is happy and well adjusted and his anxiety issues are under control. He is walked regularly and leads a very good, good like (I ADORE this dog...he is such a cool dude).

    Here's the real issue. The so called "owner" has been making noises, off and on, about taking the dog back. BUT, she has had little to no interest or contact in him for the past 18 months. On top of that, her lifestyle does not suit the dog...she would be gone from home 12 hours a day. And while she has many roommates, my mom feels that would contribute to his anxiety, not help it. On top of that, when he WAS in her care, he was not well cared for.

    My family feels VERY strongly that the girl does not have any rights left on this dog. Funnily, neither does her mother, or my uncle (who, for some reason, keeps playing middle man instead of putting the girl in contact with my mom, as my mom has asked). Yet, she keeps insisting, every few months, that he should come "home" to her.

    I have told my mom that I think the girl doesn't have much to stand on. His vet bills are in my mom's name. I have urged her to get him microchipped, as well.

    What do you all think? Who's in the right? Would YOU give a dog back, after it's owner went, more or less, MIA for 18 months?

    For the record, my family has taken in pets before for people in tight situations, yet those owners have always remained part of their animals lives until the time things were sorted out and they could take them back. We had an English Sheepdog for 8 months when I was a teenager for family friends who found themselves in a bind. But they made every effort to see her regularly, gave us money for food, and paid her vet bills. So, we know how these situations SHOULD work.



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    I think there is a very simple solution to this.

    Have your mom put together a summary of what she has spent on the dog while she has had it, sit down with the girl and explain that all of that must be repaid before she is permitted to regain possession of the dog.

    I guarantee she will go away.


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    For real ! $1800 worth of vet bills fixing existing issues (incl brain surgery) ... yep, if the old owner wants her pup back, then she needs to reimburse your mom for these expenses.

    I'm sure Mom's vet would be glad to put together a list and cost of what was done with the pup.

    If the old owner doesn't want to pay, your mom should get the dog signed over to her and that will be the end of it.



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    That's where we stand, actually. Mom itemized everything she has paid for and keeps insisting that the girl needs to call HER and talk to HER about the dog, and not keep sending the middle man of my uncle (who, is a terminal people pleaser and has offered to pay the money...which my mom flat out refused to accept).

    Just waiting for the call....


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    There are often pet abandonment laws or sections of public code that address this.
    Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!


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    I did suggest she bring it up with a lawyer friend. And she said tonight that she would gladly let the girl haul her to court. Mom's not backing down on this. She loves the dog and knows she's the best thing to happen to him.

    I will suggest she check into the laws her state.



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    Check the locality laws too. Public code is almost always accessible and searchable via the government websites or third-parties who are contracted to provide that service to citizens through their own websites.
    Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!



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    When it comes to animals, possession really is 9/10th of the law most places. Former owner is going to be up sh** creek sans paddle in any efforts to recover pup legally. If I were your Mom, I'd (a) have dog chipped & (b) politely tell kiddo I wasn't interested in rehoming my dog. El fin.
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    I'm with Ruby on this one. The former owner does not deserve to have the dog back, I don't care how much she wants him.
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    I was just going to say that possession is 9/10s of the law. Have the dog micro chipped listing your mother as the owner and let it drop. Your mother has vet records, rabies, etc. that list her as owner. If the girl really wanted the dog she would contact your mother herself. She can't just come and take the dog without some legal documentation and the police. In that case your mother could counter sue her in small claims court for vet bills and boarding. I'll bet that if she's ignored she'll eventually go away.
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