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    Okay...I'm just trying to understand how this all works...but why am I getting thumbs down stuff for the posts on this thread? I am doing everything I can for my dog. I have spent 16k on him in less than 12 mos. I am doing EVERYTHING in my power to help him. So what's with the thumbs down? Is it just someone being an asshat? I don't get it.
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    I didn't see this in my skim of the posts, but have you tried flagyl?

    Diaper + cone of shame?

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    Is feeding raw an option? You can balance out the meat/bone ratio, and raw bones will help solidify stool.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRoo View Post
    Were the enzymes off? His aren't So just wondering.
    They were, but it ended up being something else. It was the sort of diagnosis that we stumbled into -- her enzymes were high when they did routine bloodwork before pulling a tooth she'd broken. So we did various liver treatments that made a difference, but she still had symptoms. We did an ultrasound, and eventually went for surgery that showed the pancreatic problem. I'm certain there's a better and cheaper way to find the pancreatic deficiency, but that was our path.
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    I knew I forgot something before (though you may have already done this as well) I would run the Idexx Fecal Diarrhea PCR panel. This has been incredibly helpful for some of my patients with diarrhea which haven't responded to regular first-line treatment. I am wondering about C. dificile in your dog, especially with the two R& A procedures and associated stress.



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    Flagyl = metronidazole So yes, we've been doing that for the better part of a month. Cone of shame won't help as there's no licking or anything. Diapber? Maybe. But I think it will just result in more messes for me. He won't tolerate that well.
    Quote Originally Posted by rivenoak View Post
    I didn't see this in my skim of the posts, but have you tried flagyl?

    Diaper + cone of shame?

    Poor doggy. And poor you.
    A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

    Might be a reason, never an excuse...



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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRoo View Post
    I have posted on the Menagerie group, but I figure since we're still in OT Day, I'll post here.

    Long and short...my 9 1/2 YO Lab started going off food and having diarrhea about 3 mos ago. I thought it was the bag of food so I tossed it and got new. Still didn't improve, though it might be teeth or a parasite. Took him in for a dental, bloodwork, and fecal. Nothing of concern. Put him on ID. No improvement.

    Went to MSU. He ended up having another anastamosis surgery, cut out more bowel (had one last year) and this time they did an end to end instead of a side by side.

    Symptoms persisted.

    Then I moved. Seeing a new veterinarian. Have had him on metronidazole for about 3 weeks now. At first, they thought the persistent loose stools might be due to the soft diet. So started transitioning him back to regular food plus pumpkin plus the hamburger/rice. Actually got worse.

    Back to hamburger rice. A little better.

    Then new vet recommended that I discontinue the SD LB Adult altogether and go with California Natural. But to mix. Worse.

    Other than when he's on ONLY hamburger and rice, it's loose stool. Like....explosive diarrhea. He's on a probiotic, I've got pumpkin in the mix. I am at a loss and I'm tired of seeing him uncomfortable.

    I'm ALSO tired of having to clean diarrhea out of my carpets because he can't hold it when the urge comes.

    I could use ideas. Anything at this point.

    What he's on now:

    1) 3 more days of a 21 day dose of metronidazole.
    2) California Natural dry and some canned of the herring and sweet potato.
    3) Purina probiotic (script)
    4) cup of pumpkin every meal.

    Help please. I just can't keep doing this. It's driving us ALL batty.

    I want my dog to feel better and I want to NOT have to take stock out in Woolite Carpet Cleaner for WHITE FREAKING RENTAL CARPET.
    I would keep him on the hamburger and rice, or I would put him down. It is up to us to take action for our pets because they can't. It isn't fair to have him sick all the time and you shouldn't have to live with it either. I am not being callous or unfeeling here. We have put down several beloved animal family members when it just became too much for us and them. They were older too, 12 years, 9 years & 13 years and it hurt unbearably to do so but I never regretted it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tha Ridge View Post
    Is feeding raw an option? You can balance out the meat/bone ratio, and raw bones will help solidify stool.
    I would be happy to learn more. However, long term, I really need to find a food that is easy to ship as we will likely be moving to Mozambique and all foods will need to be shipped in. So I am hoping for an OTC food that will work.
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    I cannot be certain that they've looked at C diff. We've sent out to antech several fecal tests and all have been benign. This is good to know. THank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshfield View Post
    I knew I forgot something before (though you may have already done this as well) I would run the Idexx Fecal Diarrhea PCR panel. This has been incredibly helpful for some of my patients with diarrhea which haven't responded to regular first-line treatment. I am wondering about C. dificile in your dog, especially with the two R& A procedures and associated stress.
    A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

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    I totally hear what you are saying and I am a huge proponent of better a day too soon than a moment too late. I wrote that poem in fact for the slide show. But he's so damned happy and energetic! He doesn't ACT sick at all. He doesn't seem bothered! It's ME who has a problem with it!
    Quote Originally Posted by candyappy View Post
    I would keep him on the hamburger and rice, or I would put him down. It is up to us to take action for our pets because they can't. It isn't fair to have him sick all the time and you shouldn't have to live with it either. I am not being callous or unfeeling here. We have put down several beloved animal family members when it just became too much for us and them. They were older too, 12 years, 9 years & 13 years and it hurt unbearably to do so but I never regretted it.
    A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

    Might be a reason, never an excuse...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pony Fixer View Post
    Imodium is not safe long term, only occasional use. Not for small dogs (not a prob with this one obviously).
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    According to my doctor, immodium is perfectly safe for long-term use in humans. There are some side effects, as with any drug, and you should definitely consult with your veterinarian. However, there are no reported issues with long-term use in humans that are worse than continual diarrhea.

    I don't see you mentioning meeting with an internal med specialist? Not a surgeon, an internist. You want a GI veterinary specialist at a top teaching hospital.

    The diaper suggestion is a good one assuming you can't let your dog sleep outdoors. Also, confinement to a laundry room or similar with a hardwood floor would be ideal.



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    well, if he's fine on hamburger and rice, perhaps go with that? you'll need to add some vitamins and minerals to balance the diet.

    Or have you tried a raw diet? many dogs with serious digestive problems almost miraculously improve on a raw diet. Go see if one of your local stores sells one of the premade raws, buy a small bag, and well, see what happens. Or you can try giving him a raw turkey neck or chicken wing and see how it goes. Raw meaty bones are very good for firming up the stool, far better than pumpkin. Cooked liver is also easy for dogs to digest, and it tends to firm the stool.
    A raw diet can be fed anywhere- you assemble it from foods sold for human consumption in the grocery store.

    Some dogs are very sensitive to fat in the diet and need a low-fat diet- if you find that boiled (defatted) hamburger and rice gives a fine stool, perhaps try a low-fat kibble and see if he tolerates that? look for one of the "diet" kibbles with fat levels down around 8%. Unfortunately most of these have icky ingredients- if you can find Performatrim Ultra slim-care, it's a low-fat kibble with decent protein levels and half-way decent ingredients and easy to digest salmon and rice as the base.

    Proplan sensitive stomach has so-so ingredients, but some people find it's the only food their dog can manage to thrive on, so you could try that too.

    Immodium is quite safe to give to dogs- adjust the dosage for their smaller size. You can use it to keep your floors clean for temporary problems, but it does just "Cover up" the problem, and is not a cure, obviously.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRoo View Post
    I would be happy to learn more. However, long term, I really need to find a food that is easy to ship as we will likely be moving to Mozambique and all foods will need to be shipped in. So I am hoping for an OTC food that will work.
    This is specifically why I suggested raw—it's basically feeding raw meat and bone, which you shouldn't have a problem getting in Mozambique. (Also called BARF—bones and raw food.) I've known it to work wonders for dogs with GI issues.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abberlaze View Post
    According to my doctor, immodium is perfectly safe for long-term use in humans. There are some side effects, as with any drug, and you should definitely consult with your veterinarian. However, there are no reported issues with long-term use in humans that are worse than continual diarrhea.

    I don't see you mentioning meeting with an internal med specialist? Not a surgeon, an internist. You want a GI veterinary specialist at a top teaching hospital.

    The diaper suggestion is a good one assuming you can't let your dog sleep outdoors. Also, confinement to a laundry room or similar with a hardwood floor would be ideal.
    I am a veterinarian and I do not recommend long term Imodium use for dogs. It is a opiate anti-diarrheal with side effects of potential hepatotoxicity, paralytic ileus, and pancreatitis (among other things). Long term safety in humans =/= long term safety in dogs.

    Chronic colitis can be very challenging and I would say a great many are never fully diagnosed, even at the specialist level. I have had many cases, some referred on, others not, and one that I owned. Sounds like the OP has done a lot already, so I suspect even with more money thrown at it she may not get a diagnosis (unless something was missed).
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    I'm really ready to try ANYTHING but I know we can't change multiple things at once and call it an effective experiment. I don't like to change multiple variables.

    But now that I have 180 bucks' worth of freaking dog food in my house, I'd like to feed some of that too. Beyond the 20/day hamburger I'm feeding. My husband is SO going to kill me when he does the math. He hates everything about this already. i am so blessed to have a little bit of my own money left.

    If this keeps on, my dog is going to get euth'd because I will be out of $$ and hubby will not go for it. This is my sense of urgency. I need him to feel better soon before my money runs out. I don't want to have to make a choice between my dog and my husband. I will . If I have to. But I can't be sure I'll choose a human being of 3 years vs my dog of 10 so I'd really like to NOT have to have that battle.
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    BTW, the pathology study of the bowel sample looked great. No issues.
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    Thank you PF. Even though you're not giving me hope, you're giving me a little peace that I've done what I can here. I swear, I'm doing my best!
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    When my lab was 9 we went through the same thing! Turns out that not only is she allergic to chicken, she also has IBS, and as she's also a bit "high strung and nervous" she doesn't stay full all night (the vet actually watched her insides doing flip flops during an episode on the ultrasound) and then it's bile vomit in the early morning!

    What we've found has "balanced" her out is to feed a cup of Orijen in the morning and at about 4:30pm, then a premade raw beef patty before bed (we mix in metamucil which keeps her full during the night, if they'll eat green beans that will also keep them full), she also gets 1/2 metronidazole pill every night (full pill if she's having issues). The metamucil makes her poop all stretch and long (sounds weird and it's kind of gross) but it's stopped her having vomiting and other accidents!

    Good luck I know how frustrating it is!
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    The diarrhea PCR panel is completely different than sending a regular recall out. It looks for the genetic material of the less cooking and harder to treat infectious causes of diarrhea. It looks for clostridium, salmonella, cryptosporidium, and giardia. It takes about 3 days and usually costs around $200. I haven't run it often, but it has been a fabulous help when I was at my wit's end.



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    If nothing else, thanks for the common yucky, Eclipse! It really does suck. I'm trying to figure it out but feel like I'm in a vacuum right now. I'm doing all the stuff I know from working veterinary for 10 years. And none of it is working. Gah!
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